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I object to the above mentioned plan for a mosque. I object to the traffic and noise especially very early in the morning. I see the traffic for the mosque down the other end of Belgrave Hallam rd and fear this will lead to even more congestion along Belgrave Hallam rd.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They alteady illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby tge residents have invested in owning homes.
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area, already being one on the Hallam/Belgrave road and traffic at times is ridiculous, no need for more Mosques where residents have invested so much time in these homes to create such a beautiful environment only to be spoilt with that of an ugly Mosque and its surrounding buildings, enough is enough.
I for one would consider moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque.
I object to the above mentioned plan for a mosque. I object to the traffic and noise especially very early in the morning. I see the traffic for the mosque down the other end of Belgrave Hallam rd and fear this will lead to even more congestion along Belgrave Hallam rd.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They alteady illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby tge residents have invested in owning homes.
I object another mosque being built 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, due to the fact there is already a mosque further down the road. The congestion, noise and lowering of property values is a concern to me.
I strongly object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road:
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end of Belgrave Hallam Road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues in the area, with parking on nature strips, and both sides of the road causing congestion. I believe the Council do not book or move these cars on, even though illegally parked. The same would occur at the new site I believe.
This is a lovely rural community and I believe this would cause great concern for most of the local community.
A Very Concerned Property Owner
Robyn Quinn
I strongly object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road:
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end of Belgrave Hallam Road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues in the area, with parking on nature strips, and both sides of the road causing congestion. I believe the Council do not book or move these cars on, even though illegally parked. The same would occur at the new site I believe.
This is a lovely rural community and I believe this would cause great concern for most of the local community.
A Very Concerned Property Owner
Robyn Quinn
Tracy Johnson
I strongly object to have another Mosque built. the safety issue that will require major attention along Belgrave Narre Warren road when cars park along the side of the Road. The corner of A'Beckett rd and Belgrave Narre Warren North Is dangerous even now and by adding more congestion will cause for sure many fatality. We have Narre Warren North Primary School , The new catholic school over the road and now a Mosque and another school all traffic running along and off A'beckett road umm doesn't make sense. The town of Narre Warren North can not handle any more traffic . It's a small quite town and we where told small growth corridor. Possible need to change the speed limit , road work done possible roundabout and lights will be needed to protect all road users travelling along this stretch off road.
Not Happy at all
Concerned
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes.
I wish to submit my objection to having another mosque established in this suburb of Narre Warren North. 365-367 Hallam-Belgrave Road is within a few kilometres from the mosque on the corner of Hallam North Road and I know of no other faith group that has two active properties so close to each other in the City of Casey. The regular and very large gatherings that take place at the current mosque cause extreme frustration with local residents due to the illegal parking and traffic congestion. The road is lined with cars, many of which are parked at angles that prevent residents from parking in front of their own homes. This behaviour will no doubt be replicated should this planning application be approved. The property is on a busy road, made even busier at this location as it is opposite the corner of A'Beckitt Road, where there is a primary school. Previous activity from the other entrance (being opposite Hilton Court) show this group to be inconsiderate of the neighbors and disrespectful of Council regulations. By operating a gathering place and advertising it with a sign on the street, after repeated requests from surrounding residents and Council officers to remove the sign and apply for approval, it is difficult to imagine that the neighbourhood will not be impacted negatively by these attitudes and behaviours. The City of Casey actively promotes harmony among faith groups and supports cultural diversity appreciation - are the owners and attendees of this proposed mosque willing to contribute to the peaceful nature of this area, because if so we haven't yet seen any evidence of such.
I completely object and i dont feel an explanation is relevant just look at the uk.
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area, already being one on the Hallam/Belgrave road and traffic at times is ridiculous, no need for more Mosques where residents have invested so much time in these homes to create such a beautiful environment only to be spoilt with that of an ugly Mosque and its surrounding buildings, enough is enough.
I for one would consider moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque.
I object to a mosque traffic and dangerous behaviour will come out of this and why does 2% of Australia's population need a super mosque, there's already one in Doveton you don't see churches being built to accomadate Christians everywhere they pop up so don't be lazy and go to the Doveton mosque
I object to the above mentioned mosque being built as it it will increase congestion and decrease the house/land values, I have concerns that some of the individuals from the muslim community will be aggressive towards residents that are non muslim.
I object to this new mosque being built where there is already one in that area, its getting ridiculous I find it highly offensive that you would consider building something like that over a shelter for Australia's homeless which is needed more!
I object to the above plan as they already have a big one on Belgrave Hallam rd and I believe it will have a negotive impact on property prices in the area.
I object to this plan of a mosque simply because i am against the islamnation of australia. There is already a place of worship near by their does not need to be an over run of mosque. people invest money in houses, live there for decades, if then a mosque is placed near by it devalues. You guys in council all need to pull your heads in. Enough is enough.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes.
it is common knowledge that the People who use the mosque will not integrate into our society and this adds further to stress in the area and surrounding areas
I object to this mosque getting built in Narre Warren Nth as it will dramatically effect the landscape of this area. I have also read on the Mebourne Masjid website that they also want to build homes and a hall so where does it stop!
Definitely do not approve
Regards Diane Greven
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes.
I object to this planned mosque being built. This should not be allowed in a residential area which will create vehicle congestion in the area.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
I object to the planning permit of a mosque and primary/secondary school within Narre Warren North.
There is already a mosque within 10mins drive with 2 others both only a short distance away.
As stated in the traffic assessment report approx 1300 cars travelled along Belgrave-Hallam Rd each day during the tests, with only 1 lane available for travel and having a turning slip lane will only help to a certain degree. The full impact of traffic control will not be fully recognized until the school is established. Although a parent drop off/pick up lane will be constructed, has anyone considered the timing of afternoon prayers and when parents will be arriving to pick up the children?
At the majority of primary/secondary schools, parents who want a parking spot, have to arrive 30mins before school finishes to ensure they have one. As the parking on the grounds will not cater for the whole school community, parents will be forced to park on the main road. Which in turn will cause major congestition and potential traffic hazzards.
Also as there are no bycicle lanes or footpaths it would be highly negligent to allow students access to the schools by any other means of transport except for bus or car. As the bycicle requirements has been requested to be wavied in the report, who is going to ensure the safety of the children as the proposed 7 buses will only cater for 1/3 of the school population.
Also in the permit there is no photo evidence of what the schools will look like and how they will impact on the neighboring resident and the whole community and surrounding environment.There is only a picture of the mosque.
In regards to the agricultural pratices they wish to have within the schools, will they meet the guidelines set by the regulatory authorities including those such as Primesafe?
I strongly object to this mosque being built. This should not be allowed in a residential area which will create vehicle congestion in the area.
There is already a mosque within 10mins drive with 2 others both only a short distance away!
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA! KEEP AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIAN!
Regards
Milda
I strongly object to the above plan of building ANOTHER mosque. This should not be allowed in a residential area which will create vehicle congestion in the area.
There is already a mosque within 10mins drive with 2 others both only a short distance away! This plan must be Stopped!
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA! KEEP AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIAN!
The area in question has purposely had planning restrictions limiting the use of the land. If the area had a demographic where those wanting to use the land were predominant in the local community it would make sense. This is not the case , it does not make sense.
If someone had wanted to build a block of flats they would have been refused under the planning laws. This will be far more intrusive. The development is clearly not consistent with the current environment and land use of the area.
Traffic on Belgrave Hallam road is already increasing , making it difficult to drop and collect children at the local school. It seems to have increased since the date of the traffic study nearly two years ago probably due to all the new housing in the area.
The traffic impact assessment wrongfully and misleadingly speculates that traffic congestion may ease with the use of traffic lights at the intersection.
The traffic impact assessment also ignores the fact that most of the traffic will be coming from outside the community and will increase the burden on feeder roads. The Intersection of Narre Warren Road and Hallam Belgrave road already banks up considerably during heavy traffic periods, since cars are virtually unable to turn from Hallam Belgrave road. I have been informed by a local MP that traffic lights at this intersection are problematic due to the close proximity of the Heatherton road traffic lights. Three sets would be very problematic i would suggest.
The Mosque already approved and built near the corner of Belgrave Hallam Road and Hallam North Road has so much traffic and so little infrastructure that i have seen police directing traffic there on multiple occasions. There is also clearly insufficient parking. The majority of the patrons go there from outside of the local community , why then would such an Establishment be built here?
Thank you for trying to turn a pleasant rural area into something horrible.
I strongly object to the proposed development planning of the mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Narre Warren North.
The mosque will create disturbance and congestion in local traffic, excessive noise, and consequently lowering the property value around the City of Casey.
I strongly object to the above Mosque being built, traffic is bad enough from the other mosque. There is no need for more Mosques in my opinion. This is a residential area and residents shouldnt have to worry about their neighbourhood being spoilt by an ugly Mosque. Not to mention the value of our properties, no one will want to buy homes in the area with these monstrosities near by.
I would consider moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
Ian Comport
I have copied another persons letter as it is exactly what i agree with and would write, the only thing i would add is that i would be opposed to this developed if it was a Seven Day Adventist church , a Christian or Catholic church or any religious group as the development is not appropriated for the area .
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
Rebecca Doran
i object to this mosque on the grounds that there is already one down the road but also i believe its time you listened to your ratepayers and did what they want inseat of pandering to a minority all the time
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road : It's about time you listed to the Australians in this Country. There is already ANOTHER mosque down the road with two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school
STOP turning our Country muslim
Another objection submitted!
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes. There is another big mosque in Lysterfield as well which is 6km away how many mosques do you require? Already you have Lysterfield and Hallam within 11km of each other these places are aesthetically an eyesore and do not fit in with the surrounding architecture.
it is common knowledge that the People who use the mosque will not integrate into our society and this adds further to stress in the area and surrounding areas plus noise problems from 5 times a day prayers/meetings, anti social behaviour and traffic as already seen in Hallam. Why were council trying to sneak this in under our noses? Learn from Europe before it is too late this Islamic enclave will cause further division and trouble in the future.
I object to the propsed planning permit for a mosque. The noise and pollution is already bad enough in this area and there is already a mosque in the area. You are doing your current residents an absolute injustice if you grant this permit.
I would object to any building that would create a mass influx of people at any one time. I moved to the area for its peace and quiet. House prices would significantly be reduced if this permit would go ahead. That's not fair for hard working citizens.
It's hard enough getting to my kids school now...and there's already a mosque near by....I don't think it's a good idea for our rural area or residents.. nor good for traffic congestion and certainly not needed ...
As a mother of a child that attends Narre Warren North Primary School and a local who uses Heatherton Road/Belgrave-Hallam Road all the time, I wish to object to this permit being approved.
My objections stem primarily from the lack of adequate dual lane roads in the surrounding area which are already busy from through traffic most times of the day as well as causing great congestion for locals at peak times. Unless Heatherton Road/Belgrave-Hallam Road is duplicated at the very least, I think the planned construction with its planned entrance/exit onto Belgrave-Hallam Road near the A'Beckett Road intersection will tip the traffic problems into dangerous, untenable territory that not even installing new traffic lights will fix. It is my understanding the new P-12 school to be built at this intersection was not permitted to have its entrance/exit onto Belgrave-Hallam Road for these reasons - therefore I am opposed to the site across the road having the same access point. All other roads on the perimeter of the property are also busy single lane roads and therefore creating an access point anywhere will cause the same concerns and dangers.
My secondary reason for opposing the planned constructions is that Narre Warren North is a semi-rural location, with the locals taking much pride in the unique mix of a modern society coupled with the embracing of its strong farming family history. That is one of the reasons why me and my family moved into the area - its strong sense of community and its spacious, non-bustling surroundings. It is my opinion that a large busy Mosque does not gel with the location's setting or history at all. If construction of this type needs to take place, a more suitable location out of the area needs to be found.
Thank you for your consideration.
I object to the proposed building of a mosque, Islamist school and community hub at 365-367 Belgrave - Hallam Road.
The existing mosque on Belgrave-Hallam road causes an extreme increase in traffic and congestion, with cars illegally parked along the nature strip with a total disregard to neighbours. Road users are currently at risk when you have approximately 300 cars trying to leave the mosque at the same time.
These problems would still exist at the new site, creating noise, congestion and disturbance to residents.
Narre warren north is a semi rural residential area and should be kept as residential.
The city of Casey is the fastest and largest growing municipality in Victoria if not Australia wide. There is already a housing shortage and this is set to continue, would these 22 acres not be better used to build residential homes?
The land could be used to build a community that could be used, open to and appreciated by all Australian residents and not just a minority.
I object to another mosque being built in our area. I object to the additional noise and the additional traffic. I object to any commercial buildings going up in this area and I certainly object to another eyesore of a mosque in an area where they already have 2 very close nearby. Consult the people City of Casey, enough is enough!
With all the investigations happening with Islamic school's and funding why is this going ahead please no more they have 2 already!
I strongly object .
1.Traffic
2.eyesore
3.house value decreasing
4 .already one not far
5. A massive diversion of the community.
To many reasons to list .
Please be considerate of our community and country and listen to what us as Australians want .
I object to any mosque being built anywhere as long as christian churches are forbidden in iran /mecca.
I object to this application. We live in the new estate on Oaktree Rise less nearby and have a child in the Narre Nth primary. This affects us directly for the following reasons:
1. Traffic. The new school was not allowed to front Belgrave-Narre road for traffic reasons... the location of this seems far worse. Is there an independent traffic study we can view? Please don't tell me the solution a is a set of traffic lights...
2. Safety. The anti-Islamic comments raised in the objections matched with a new Christian School over the road doesn't give me a sense of community harmony... which is a key reason why we moved here in the first place. Are we going to end up in the middle of a conflict? I won't expose my kids to that kind of danger.
3. Three schools on 3 corners with in 100 meters of each other? We are not in the middle of an overcrowded city... it's a small rural feel community. There are no new estates in planning... It makes no sense.
4. The group there has shown a propensity to disrespect locals and the local law by meeting there illegally in the past. Can we trust them to be good, considerate citizens into the future?
These are the decisions that cost counsellors their seats. They'd want to get this one right.
I object to the building of another Mosque on the Belgrave Hallam Road, I live within a stones throw of the site, it is on a single road, on a bend near a T section, and a primary school. There is an animal hospital close by, the traffic is already very heavy and dangerous. I am offended and stressed by the council even considering ANOTHER Mosque within such a short time and so close to the other one. Do the council ever listen to their rate payers? I don't think so, they are very strict about subdivision and building laws but Muslims seem to have a bigger say. We will have to be more concerned about the people WE VOTE ON THE COUNCIL.
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Hello Friends
I am reading these comments and I don't understand why people get afraid from Islam?
Have any one Read about Islam? Please listen i am quoting few link about Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2AiThc5KZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzLQluUy7Q
In up mentioned comments someone quote Quran link that is totally wrong.
About Melbourne Mosque few peoples are objecting in millions.
They are quoting about traffic issue with other Hallam Mosque, well as per my understanding and research regarding new super Melbourne Mosque in Hallam is the requirement of Muslim people who are living there and surrounding. Because of traffic Jam in exiting Hallam Mosque, Australian Muslims need another big Mosque.
And they are building according to the law.
As Victoria population is increasing now traffic problem is everywhere specially in morning and evening time.
As per as my perception Muslims needs a Mega Super Mosques with a Mega school in Hallam area and it will increase the beauty of that area.
I object to the above mentioned plan for a mosque. I object to the traffic and noise especially very early in the morning. I see the traffic for the mosque down the other end of Belgrave Hallam rd and fear this will lead to even more congestion along Belgrave Hallam rd.
I support this plan and am willing to show public support for the culture of this community. Therefore, on the basis of religious disagreements, I must speak out against the objectors here and make myself an advocate for our multi-cultural community. I am an anglo australian, non religious person who believes in freedom of belief.
If the plans are dismissed based on road traffic & noise, that's one thing, but if the plan is being contested because of religion, I am appalled.
I have just had the opportunity to read the submission and the 'independent' traffic report.
Staggering are the following recommendations:
1. The access road is to be built on essentially a blind corner. To meet code the recommendation is to CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES along Belgrave-Hallem road... effectively meaning that the entire width of the car park is visible from the adjoining Belgrave Hallam road... and also exposing the entire property including mosque and school to be seen from passing traffic. A small row of bushes is sufficient (before the run off lane is out in).
Blind Freddie could see this is a ridiculous conclusion. You WILL see the car park and the mosque. The non descript plan to put some low vegetation along the road is unacceptable. It will destroy any sense of a rural feel of the landscape.
2. The recommendation that there needs no traffic control until the congregation size hits just under 200. One only needs to spend 10 minutes sitting at the intersection with cars driving past at 80kmph to know that the 'scientific' sounding study of traffic is utterly rubbish. Sitting at the Abeckett intersection, looking left and right for cars coming through is difficult enough... adding oncoming vehicles will increase the safety risks 10 fold. This was not addressed at all in the report. In fact the report gives no consideration at all to community impact... it is centred only on the minimum requirements of the mosque.
3. Using the Listerfield Mosque survey from 2004. Wow this a a cracker! Despite acknowledging that peak attendance the traffic rate equaled an unacceptable 0.86 vehicle rate (rated as poor) the 'independent' report suggests that the statutory minimum of 0.3 will be acceptable? What planet are they living on?
How about we use a better example and look at the mayhem that occurs post service on the corner of Belgrave Hallen and Hallam Nth roads... With cars parked absolutely everywhere on the street. An accident waiting to happen. That site has is that it is on a highly visible corner. The new proposed site runs into an 80kmph road... even more dangerous! If you combine the 2 places of worship you end up with similar numbers to the proposed super mosque... before adding in the school.
Let's hope the council shows a little more foresight than it did with this other site.
4. Build a set of traffic lights!!! O, and the taxpayer should pay for it. And there it is... a perfectly functioning intersection with zero accidents... The hypocracy of recommending VicRoads pay part for the lights for public safety... when it is the mosques load creating the traffic problem!!!
5. Glaringly missing from the report is the proper impact of adding a future school. Stating a few numbers and stats and stat rates is useless... There is no real plan here other than to use every square inch of the land for buildings and car parks... with undersized play areas at the very back of the property.
The traffic report is a report of an organisation asking for a budget priced, minimum report to push something through.
6. The community doesn't have a Mosque! Wow... There is another one on the same road a few kms away!!!
REQUEST:
1. The council MUST get an independent traffic report... not a biased one paid by the Mosque.
2. Cutting down all the road side trees is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. Council should demand an alternative. Suggestions this will not impact rural landscape are ridiculously ignorant. The high mosque dome is an advertisement that will be visible from multiple angles... and it is within the mosques interests to ensure it is. Require at least 3-5 Myer, continuous mature trees be planted the entire length of the property fronting Belgrave-Narre road.
3. The traffic plan is dangerous. See previous comments.
4. The community doesn't need a second mosque 3km from the other one.
5. Let's see the full plans... Not just phase 1 and some vague statement about a school.
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I am concerned about the planned building of a Mosque and school at 365-367 Belgrave Hallem rd, This will lower the value of existing homes in the area, Cause traffic problems for locals in the area, Plus its a nice rural area and needs to be kept that way.
I wish to submit my objection to having another mosque established in this suburb of Narre Warren North. 365-367 Hallam-Belgrave Road is within a few kilometres from the mosque on the corner of Hallam North Road and I know of no other faith group that has two active properties so close to each other in the City of Casey. (There is also a Mosque on Wellington Road Lysterfield) The regular and very large gatherings that take place at the current mosque cause extreme frustration with local residents due to the illegal parking and traffic congestion. The road is lined with cars, many of which are parked at angles that prevent residents from parking in front of their own homes. This behaviour will no doubt be replicated should this planning application be approved. The property is on a busy road, made even busier at this location as it is opposite the corner of A'Beckitt Road, where there is a primary school. Previous activity from the other entrance (being opposite Hilton Court) show this group to be inconsiderate of the neighbors and disrespectful of Council regulations. By operating a gathering place and advertising it with a sign on the street, after repeated requests from surrounding residents and Council officers to remove the sign and apply for approval, it is difficult to imagine that the neighbourhood will not be impacted negatively by these attitudes and behaviours.
The Mosque will destroy the open space feel of the area with such a huge building built on the edge of the Green Wedge which was established to keep the rural integrity of Narre Warren North.
Martin Hogg
I have read all the previouse comments and support and agree with them all .
I strongly OBJECT to another mosque being built 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, due to several reasons and one being the fact there is already a mosque further down the road. The traffic congestion, noise and lowering of property values are all of major concern to us. This land is also semi-rural and the proposed buildings would be an eyesore in the middle of this lovely area.
We have been residents of Narre Warren for over 20 years and own two residential properties in the area. If this proposal goes ahead we will seriously consider moving out of the area.
A social impact study should definitely be undertaken before this proposal is granted.
Europe are trying to close down a number of mosques due to recent events, shouldn't we be more proactive rather than having to be reactive down the track and protect Auatralia's way of life and our culture.
OBJECTION,! I have grandchildren who at the present time have the safety and security of being able to walk home from school with friends, the traffic in the area is going to increase a huge amount especially at times of prayer, I believe 3pm is one of the most popular prayer times.
People have paid a Premium to live in the lovely Green Belt area but with another place of prayer and such a busy one at that, this will change and devalue properties in the area.
Please Council consider very carefully your Rate Payers point of view they are your main concern not those who do not reside in the area.
I strongly object to the proposed mosque being built in Narre Warren North. It will cause increased traffic, spoil and devalue the area. This has already happened on Belgrave- Hallam Rd.
I object to this! This is Australia! We do not carry these customs and we do not make room for those who do not respect or try to "Un-Australianise" Australia. Don't build what they are running away from, in Australia. Keep Australia, Australian
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I object to the building of this mosque on grounds of noise and traffic build up in unacceptable times and location
Dear Sir/Madam
I object to this development, regardless of the purpose of the building. Belgrave Hallam road is a single carriageway which has make shift drains that can be best described as ditches. As such additional traffic on this road is simply dangerous. For those of us that live locally, we have seen the traffic problems caused by the two other churches. The turning lanes that were added are simply insufficient with my self having a number of near misses as a result of backed up traffic clogging the road (back to Hallam North Rd) as cars are waiting to enter the sites.
For those of us that chose to live in Narrewarren North , we did so because of the attraction of living on a larger block with reduced traffic in relative safety and low noise levels.
Choosing to live here also comes at a cost. Land and houses are expensive and as rate payers, I'm sure the residence of Narrewarren North pay a premium to the Casey Council in annual rates for which I might add we have very ordinary roads, and hardly any foot paths.
I moved here in 2009 from a medium density area because of the sparseness of the suburb and that the main community and business hubs were well away from where I live.
The development of this site whether it be a pool , community centre , small shopping precinct catholic church or mosque is not aligned with the area nor with those of us that chose to live here for very specific reasons and life style .
What benefit does this development provide the localised community in Narrewarren North . None. How many of us will actually be using the mosque ? .The over whelming majority of those that will, do not live in this suburb or in close proximity to the Mosque. There will be significant increase in traffic from Endeavour hills and Hallam, as cars coming in from Heatherton Rd, Hallam Rd North and Narrewarren North Rd all converge on to Belgrave Hallam rd. The heaviest congestion will be traffic heading west on Belgrave Hallam Rd trying to turn right in to the premises while traffic heading east on the same road is turning left in to the same premises. A repeat of what is happening at the western end of Belgrave Hallam Rd
Finally we already have a church and mosque on Belgrave Hallam Rd. I do not understand why there is a need to build another mosque just 2 KM up the road. This simply doesn't make in practical sense. Not even McDonalds builds their restaurants that close to each other and they are everywhere.
As I have already mentioned the Council must take into consideration the reasons why we chose to live here, why they must preserve what is unique about the area. As local rate payers, you must deliver what we want and understand that we will not benefit both directly nor indirectly from the mosque as the vast majority of worshipers do not live here.
The mosque should be built in the suburb that has the specific demographic that will use the facility , not where the majority of the demographic will not use it and will only be inconvenienced. You, Casey council need ensure that the life style so many of us worked hard to achieve and continue to pay a premium for, is preserved.
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I object, i believe it will derail people from wanting to live in this family friendly community.
Mosques do not promote integration into Australian culture. We all love Australian culture and that is why we are here. Please keep Australian culture alive and Australia the way it should be.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
I strongly object to this proposal of another mosque in Narre Warren. There is already a mosque in Narre Warren North. The new mosque is advertised as the biggest one in Melbourne and this is unacceptable for this area and a resident of Narre Warren. I do not want the increased traffic and the sight of a mosque near the nice country area and near Lysterfield lake. It will de value the area for current residents near by and greatly impact them.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They alteady illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this to the Council
I strongly object to this area being used as ANYTHING but a residential area for the resident that have invested and made homes for themselves and their families.
I have no problems with Muslims moving in.
Is theyre using it for residential purposes I don't care what race colour or religion they are.
This is something that you know most Australians would be against, much less the residents of the area.
So for this to be even be considered you have to ask questions regarding corruption.
Are they that confident that the muslim votes will keep them in power..
Or do they know something we don't?
I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
I just think that it's amazing that you would even consider putting something in an area where the people in that area clearly do not want it.
The people that are not complaining are doing so out of complacency. Do not mistake that as support.
Plus you seem to have done a really good job of keeping this quiet as if you knew there would be an uproar.
I object another mosque being built 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, due to the fact there is already a mosque further down the road. And the traffic going in and comimg out is crazy.The congestion, noise and lowering of property values is a concern to me.
I object to a mosque being built at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
The existence of another nearby mosque (Hallam Mosque) at the corner of Belgrave-Hallam Rd and Hallam North Road (131-133 Belgrave-Hallam Road) and the fact that Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone is an overcompensation to meet the needs of the community in the Narre Warren North area, and will put unnecessary strain on the residents of Narre Warren North (i.e. traffic problems, congestion, etc.)
The lack of rigid infrastructure (i.e. sufficient lanes of traffic) surrounding the premises will exacerbate the massive influx of (allegedly, likely much more than) 1500 people moving to and from the premises on a regular basis. Even in Stage One of the production, approximately 500 people are 'envisaged' to be accommodated for, and upon consideration of the logistical strain seen at Hallam Mosque (131-133 Belgrave Hallam Road) I would expect a similar strain to be seen at the proposed Mosque.
The council has already had to take action in the streets surrounding the Hallam Mosque due to patrons of the mosque creating extreme congestion by parking either side of the streets (which was illegal), and rectified this situation by erecting 'No Park Zones' for the hours the mosque is busiest (11am-3pm Friday).
As such, upon consideration of the history of the Hallam Mosque, and the potential for the proposed mosque to put unnecessary strain on residents surrounding the area of the proposed mosque, I object to the building of a mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
I object to the mosque as it increase traffic problems, be visually intrusive, the operating hours would be disruptive. A building of this kind is unsuitable for a quiet residential area. Also, Mosques "call to prayer" is done at numerous times per day on loud speaker causing further intrusion to local residents.
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I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Traffic is already too congested during peak time on Heatherton Rd and Belgrave Hallam rd without additional traffic. It already takes 10-15 mins during peak hr just to exit the NARRE Warren North area. Traffic and noise will be a major problem.
I just moved into the area which myself and my husband dreamed of for the past 10 years. I fear our premium quiet rural small town aspect and wildlife will be destroyed. If this happens we won't be staying for long.
I strongly object the the developement of a Mosque and school.
I strongly object to a mosque and school being built at 365-367 Belgrave Hallam road Narre Warre North. The Casey Foothills must be protected as a rural Green Wedge area, not turned in to busy commercial city . There is already a building a few Ks away they can use.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application (PINA00679/14) proposing a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high numbers of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
All current buildings/dwellings in the area, work with the landscape and foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study) and the size and typical facade of the planned mosque will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape.
The proposed land area is in a Green wedge Zone.
Local infrastructure in the proposed area is already under strain, particularly at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
Traffic within the area and surrounds is already terribly congested, particularly in the peak hour periods, including Heatherton and Wellington Roads. Especially if there are traffic issues on the Monash Freeway which are frequent.
The population of Islamic faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority, so I don't understand the need for another mosque less than 5KM away from the current mosque in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
Creating a hub of this size for any one culture in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will have social ramifications within Casey.
I Strongley object to another mosque being built in this beautiful peaceful area ,My objection being this is Australia and we don't want this country to be like the U.K or Europe ,We want to feel safe at all times
I object to Mosques full stop. If this is what Halal tax is paying for then why not give it to refugees. Help out their brothers in need. If Im paying this tax then this is my say.
Another Mosque in such close proximity to an existing one is totally unnecessary & will devalue the properties near by & cause more traffic congestion .There are already Mosque's in Dandenong & Lysterfield large enough to service the needs of the Muslim population in the area.I strongly object to this proposal.
I am in favour of this project because what they are doing, doing according to the Australian law and this land is fixed for Religious Activities.
Objectors as per my perception your objections are worthless and please if you want to use your freedom of speech please make a objection on this project and don't make objection on religion because it is unlawful and coming in discrimination and Racial Discrimination Act 1975 of Australia. Please read the law :
Article 18 of the ICCPR states:
Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.
The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.
Freedom to manifest religion or belief has individual and collective aspects and is wide ranging
The freedom to manifest religion or belief may be exercised "either individually or in community with others and in public or private". The freedom to manifest religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching encompasses a broad range of acts. The concept of worship extends to ritual and ceremonial acts giving direct expression to belief, as well as various practices integral to such acts, including the building of places of worship, the use of ritual formulae and objects, the display of symbols, and the observance of holidays and days of rest. The observance and practice of religion or belief may include not only ceremonial acts but also such customs as the observance of dietary regulations, the wearing of distinctive clothing or head coverings, participation in rituals associated with certain stages of life, and the use of a particular language customarily spoken by a group. In addition, the practice and teaching of religion or belief includes acts integral to the conduct by religious groups of their basic affairs, such as the freedom to choose their religious leaders, priests and teachers, the freedom to establish seminaries or religious schools and the freedom to prepare and distribute religious texts or publications.
I strongly object to this Mosque being built due to traffic congestion already on Hallam/Belgrave Rd and nearby Heatherton Rd. I also am very concerned for the wildlife in this area as Lysterfield Lake is very close to this land and do they use adjoining properties as a thorough fare. Have there been any impact studies done for the flora and fauna on this rural 22acres?
Diane
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied another persons letter as it reflects exactly my concerns. I will add that I would also be opposed to this development at this location irrespective of it being a place or worship or any other style or development on such a large scale. The proposed development is not appropriate for the area .
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This may also impact upon the value of local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority, surely the construction major buildings are for current demand, not merely to attract people to an area. Why is there a need for another Mosque as there is an existing one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
I strongly object to this mosque being built. This should not be allowed in a residential area which will create vehicle congestion in the area.
There is already a mosque within 10mins drive with 2 others both only a short distance away!
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA! KEEP AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIAN!
Regards
Milda
For the request to file for another mosque when there is clearly more within 10 min its like the big massive mosque they have in noble park. They have to block the traffic just so security guards can show them areas to park and see they get into the mosque without to much distraction. when you have thousands of people trying around the same time to enter the car park is crazy the traffic is like the freeway on Friday night
if they choose to do this in there country let them but they don't need a mosque on every corner street here that is just not the way things are in Australia. Casey council are not stupid they just have to do there homework looking at the other mosques around areas and then you will see what we all say no to building another mosque
Kind Regards
Scott Collins
Stop the mosque! Not only will it create traffic congestion but will only encourage and lead to more mosques being built which no one wants. Keep Australia Australian
I object to the above mosque on Hallam Belgrave Road.
We love the area due to the rural aspect and large blocks where families build their dream homes. To me and my family the mosque just doesn't fit with why we love our suburb. We were planning on sending our son to Narre Warren North Primary as this is the same school my wife went to. If the mosque goes ahead, sadly we will be looking at moving away from the area. Which is not a decision we will be taking lightly. My wife grew up in Narre Warren North and has lived here for close to 30 years. It will be a heartbreaking decision for us as this is where we planned to stay.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
On Planning grounds, the application is out of character with the area.
There are many traffic concerns, this road is zoned 80km/h.
The Mosque and Church at the other end of Belgrave Hallam
road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues & this proves that if allowed to go ahead, the same would occur for this new mosque as well.
It will cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL green wedge area.
They have already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they
first bought the property until Council stopped it, this shows their contempt of the rule of law.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
As I know there a new school going in at Doveton , City of Casey approve this application without giving residential notice.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They already illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied another persons letter as it reflects exactly my concerns. I will add that I would also be opposed to this development at this location irrespective of it being a place or worship or any other style or development on such a large scale. The proposed development is not appropriate for the area .
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This may also impact upon the value of local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority, surely the construction major buildings are for current demand, not merely to attract people to an area. Why is there a need for another Mosque as there is an existing one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
I strongly object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road: The congesstion also the 25 meter towers and the whole building will be a scar for our lovely green community. The traffic would be horendous. also the noise polution due to their call to pray systems. Leave the country side be. The view from NArre North to lysterfield would be ruined for ever.
This is a lovely rural community and I believe this would cause great concern for most of the local community.
A Very Concerned Property Owner
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
Traffic within the are and surrounds is already congested, especially in the mornings and afternoons. this includes both Heatherton and Wellington Roads.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
Traffic within the are and surrounds is already congested, especially in the mornings and afternoons. this includes both Heatherton and Wellington Roads.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
I strongly object to the effects that this project will manifest within our community, value in property, traffic, noise, opportunities for futher destruction of farm land, safety of primary school children who are currently in a very QUIET and SAFE street who only locals visit. THERE IS A MOSQUE 5 MINUTES DRIVE FROM THIS LOCATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS. I am devistated at the idea that next door to my house will be a noisy, horrible eyesore, ruining the view from the home I have lived in almost my whole life.
What this town has been, the reasons it is so great, safe, quiet, historical, respected, loved and valued by the community and the beauty within it will be all at risk. My home town and the idea of it will die and it will all be a memory.
It will no longer be safe, it will no longer be quiet, it will no longer have a tight nit community.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied another persons letter as it reflects exactly my concerns. I will add that I would also be opposed to this development at this location irrespective of it being a place or worship or any other style or development on such a large scale. The proposed development is not appropriate for the area .
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This may also impact upon the value of local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority, surely the construction major buildings are for current demand, not merely to attract people to an area. Why is there a need for another Mosque as there is an existing one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road).
Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied & edited another persons letter as it is exactly what I agree with and would write, the only thing I would add is that I am strongly opposed to any further developments of any community/religious groups. Developments of this size & nature are not suitable to Narre Warren North (refer reasons below).
Council, LISTEN to what the vast majority of our community is saying!
This proposed development would mean drastic negative changes for us locals of Narre Warren North, if recent experiences of the “Hallam Mosque” are anything to go by! This new proposed development has now also been labeled as the “LARGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA”, with anticipated patronage of 1500+ on 22 acres, over a few “stages” of development.
I live near the "Hallam Mosque" & have first hand experience as to the changes & problems directly attributed to it. Every neighbour I have ever spoken to about this is very, very frustrated and angry. Many complaints have been lodged with council over the last few years. The initial assurances given by Council, insisting there would be minimal impact in the surrounding neighbourhoods, have proved to be very FALSE and misleading in fact.
To all the NON Objectors posting on this site: STOP citing Australian law & discrimination, as if the “rights” of the muslim community override the rights of the majority of the people who already live there. I believe most of the mosque’s patrons are very likely to come from suburbs other than Narre Warren North - similar situation as to what has already been observed at the “Hallam Mosque”. Objectors objections are NOT worthless. It is the local people who are objecting & with good reason. People who live in this area have a right to free speech as well. PLEASE actually read people’s comments & UNDERSTAND that it is “you” who propose coming into this quiet suburb on “YOUR” terms. Respect & acknowledge that fact please!
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
This monstrosity will surely cause traffic problems, parking problems and will detract from the quiet rural feel of Narre Warren. I have observed other mosques in NSW on specific days where the mosque attendees get out on the road in droves to bend down & pray on the roads and I feel this is totally unacceptable when this sort of drama causes chaos on the streets for the majority of non muslim/religious citizens in the Narre Warren area who just want to get on with their daily lives/trips. There is also a mosque no more than 5 minutes away from this site, if this minority of the faith refuse to travel 5 mins further to attend to their prayers then there is something suspiciously wrong I think.
I strongly object to a new mosque at this site. Why not build factories or multi story apartment blocks? What a joke Casey council. You can guarantee house prices will go downhill if this goes through on such a main strip of Narre warren. This area is meant to be nice and subtle where the scenery is beautiful. No one wants to look at an eye sore like this. If this is what you want you may as well build a shopping center on one of the farms also.
This isn't the only issue of a mosque being built- what about traffic? We have to put up with enough traffic as it is and with more family's and singles coming into the area will only make things worse. Not to mention there is one 10 minutes down the road. Say goodbye to the lovely Narre warren north as we know it! Absolute disgrace.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I do not want another Mosque in Narre Warren....what you are doing is setting up a muslim community...instead of a mixed community....this is racisicm at its best...you are going to turn the community against these people.. there is already a mosque in Narre Warren.....this is going to cause anger to the point of where the Council WILL BE responsible for the safety of these people. Why can't you use the area to enhance the Community as a whole including the muslim community ... not as a segrated muslim area...let ALL enjoy...this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen the Council even hear. Also The proposed land area is in a Green wedge Zone.
I object to the above mentioned plan for a mosque. I object to the traffic and noise especially very early in the morning. I see the traffic for the mosque down the other end of Belgrave Hallam rd and fear this will lead to even more congestion along Belgrave Hallam rd. Not only this but it is a residential area not commercisl. This shouldnt be allowed this road gets busy enough.
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I strongly object as traffic and congestion around the area would be greatly effected. The road is ill equipped to handle such tragic as it is only single lane in each direction. There would be serious safety concerns to consider on such a road as this. The speed limit is 80kmh and to have large amounts of traffic entering/exiting could prove disasterous. This is not a place suitable for for the mosque. Seeing as though it is in a green wedge aswell, the concerns over wildlife particularly the many kangaroos in the area should be taken into consideration too.
I object to another mosque being built on Belgrave Hallam Road. There is not only one already in the area, that is currently congesting suburban streets, main roads and traffic lights but another one (even larger than this) would cause these already existing problems to double.
I also object to having to look at such an unsightly building on the beautiful foot hills of Lysterfield. I feel it will devalue the area with those that find it unsightly and generate noise pollution, traffic pollution and the likes in a currently, environmentally conservative area.
Re: Application Reference: PlnA00679/14
I object to having another Mosque being built at 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road. Why do we need another Mosque on the other end of the same Road?
Already having to endure living within 400 metres of the Mosque at 135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road with its traffic and parking problems especially on Fridays, there will be no escape from the influx of worshippers from all over Melbourne creating total havoc at both Belgrave Hallam Road junctions.
I also object to being forced to be able see both Mosques from my abode, totally spoiling the view of beautiful foot hills of Lysterfield, as the view is already spoiled in the other direction with the original Mosque. Having already suffered the devaluation of the area at one end of Belgrave Hallam Road why is it necessary to now devalue the other end of Belgrave Hallam Road with another unsightly Mosque and generating noise pollution, traffic pollution and the likes in a currently, environmentally conservative area.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns listed above.
I object to another Mosque being built on Hallam Belgrave Road due to traffic congestion, noise pollution and the devaluation of our homes. I am very concerned with the way Casey Council has handled this in a secretive manner. As a rate payer living in this area I feel I should have been notified by Council about the proposed plan of this monstrosity either by mail or email and not through social media. Does this mean that we don't get a say in what is developed in our area and Council can approve whatever they like without informing us? I hope future proposals are bought forward to the people of this Council so we actually get a say what is happening in our neighborhood.
I object to another Mosque being built on Hallam Belgrave Road due to traffic congestion, noise pollution and the devaluation of our homes. I am very concerned with the way Casey Council has handled this in a secretive manner. As a rate payer living in this area I feel I should have been notified by Council about the proposed plan of this monstrosity either by mail or email and not through social media. Does this mean that we don't get a say in what is developed in our area and Council can approve whatever they like without informing us? I hope future proposals are bought forward to the people of this Council so we actually get a say what is happening in our neighborhood.
I wish to lodge my disapproval against the new mosque that is proposed at 365-367 Belgrave - Hallam Rd. As there is already a Mosque at the other end I don't see the need to have two in such close proximity. Also there will only be more traffic chaos if another at the other end
I object to the planning application, of a second mosque, due to the influx of noise and traffic that will come every single day. And not only every single day, but 5 times a day. I do not see in the planning application any where, that a social impact study has been carried out.
I object to the above mentioned mosque being built as it it will increase congestion and decrease the house/land values, I have concerns that some of the individuals from the muslim community will be aggressive towards residents that are non muslim.
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area, already being one on the Hallam/Belgrave road and traffic at times is ridiculous, no need for more Mosques where residents have invested so much time in these homes to create such a beautiful environment only to be spoilt with that of an ugly Mosque and its surrounding buildings, enough is enough.
I for one would consider moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque
Re: Application Reference: PlnA00679/14
I am opposed to the proposed mosque for a number of reasons.
My family was attracted to Narre Warren North largely because of its spacious rural surroundings and family friendly, relaxed community. A mosque of this nature does not fit in with the community ideals.
I am already affected by the traffic congestion, illegal parking and sometimes large intimidating groups of worshipers caused by the mosque at 135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. I am quite disillusioned by the actions (or lack of) from Casey Council. Despite the rejection of a request from the mosque to increase their numbers they still regularly exceed their limit and it appears there is little being done to enforce regulations or overcome the problem. It concerns me as to what may happen if there is another mosque located so closely.
Surely there are already enough mosque facilities in the City of Casey for our ratepayers. It doesn't make sense to be enticing people from further afield when there is absolutely no benefit for the local community. Usually when a municipality wants to entice visitors, there is a benefit to all, for example tourism dollars, additional jobs etc not just traffic congestion, a building which is not in keeping with the surrounding environment and the threat of intimidation.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North
I object to the planning application. I am very concerned with the way Casey Council has handled this in a secretive manner, just like when they cut down the pine trees in Webb st Narre Warren, quite some years ago at 6.00am before anything could be down. like allowing the Demolishing of Brechin homestead one of the oldest houses in Narre Warren just in behind McDonalds Narre Warren. they don't listen, to the voters just the money under the tables in my opinion. and lets hold them accountable to any traffic accidents. lets send the Council members over to over country's and see how far they get trying to build things. why not allow empty Factories in Doveton - Dandenong to be used. I have lived in Narre Warren over 50 years, and I wish my \Dad was still here he would give the Council a run for their money on this issue, just like many years ago those still around know what I mean.
I object to this mosque being built as there is already one within 5 minutes of this proposed site. Not only are we allowing the segregation of the australian population by building more places of worship but we are furthering the oppression that placed over women involved in the muslim faith.
The year is 2016, surely we have progressed beyond 'gods and martyrs'? We need less primitive faiths on this planet, let alone hallam? If anybody in hallam needs approval by the council it should be the last remaining farmers that need dams and such.
please dont follow blindly but work to better our future in this great nation by UNITING the people.
I strongly object, as this will bring an established community down. There is already one just 5 minutes away. That is sufficient enough for the minority (1%) that they are.
I would like to strongly object to the proposed mosque on Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North. I am a fairly new resident to the area (4 years). But within that 4 years there has been a gradual decline in the appeal to this area, due to safety, crime and traffic concerns. We have all seen the incidents on the news in the area involving police attacks and increase in crime, and that's only what makes the news! The traffic is getting ridiculous outside the current mosque location only 5 kms away, with a poor choice of location made there, why would you create hazard at the other end of the same road.....this makes no sense! That area and section of road is gridlock during peak and school hours. A residential area surrounded by homes and schools is not the place for such a development.
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area, already being one on the Hallam/Belgrave road and traffic at times is ridiculous, no need for more.
Building this Muslim only area does nothing to being our 2 coltures together it just draws a line in the sand as says "your community here and yours over there"
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque.
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I object to the above mention mosque being built in this area as it will cause more traffic and conjestion on the already busy road.
I have seen the amount of cars that attend these mosques and the illegal manner they park as there is never enough parking space on site.
I object to another mosque being built 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road as there is already a mosque further down the road. There is no point of another establishment like this being built in Narre Warren. The reason I moved to Casey is due to it's cultural diversity. I'm afraid that by building more mosque's this will now become a Muslim Hub.
I strongly object to any mosque being built at 365-367 Belgrave - Hallam Road. I believe that this mosque would be incompatible to the existing semi rural setting that has attracted so many people to the area. Under the Casey Planning Scheme Cl.22 the Casey foothills requires visual qualities that will contribute to a positive image of the municipality as a desired place to live. I firmly believe that some of the stunning views of which the Planning Scheme refers to will be forever lost by this type of development and thus devalue all of the nearby properties. As a resident who travels past this site often I dread to think what our area will become if this is allowed to be built.
Building another mosque in the area will cause larger influx of Muslims which I object. I do not want to live in a Muslim hub and do not want to be forced to move after 30 years of residing in Endeavour Hills.
Regarding: Application reference no. PINA00679/14
Narre Warren North is my home town. I grew up in Memorial drive and my grandparents owned land on Narre Warren North road. I have fond memories of the adventures we had as children on the farming property. My dad attended Narre Warren North primary school as did my brothers and I, and our family has been involved in the local Fire Brigade and Scouts. Narre Warren North is a semi-rural town in a small growth corridor, with larger blocks that are ideal for families. My love for the area inspired my partner and I to purchase my grandparent’s house on one acre so that our children can be raised in a community that takes pride in preserving its farming heritage.
Very recently we have been advised of the following proposal: A Mosque for over 500 Muslims, an Islamic school for 950 students, and a Muslim Community Hub at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam road. This is Stage 1 of the proposal, with plans for further development to likely include housing for over 1500 Muslims, and Islamic Centre, shops and businesses on the 22 acres. Regardless of the purpose of the building, the huge proposed development raises significant concerns for two main reasons outlined below.
Firstly, the infrastructure is inadequate. Given Heatherton road, Narre Warren North road and Belgrave-Hallam road are the main roads to access the proposed development, the amount of traffic will increase dramatically. All three roads are single carriageway and already carry a significant amount of traffic, particularly during peak hour and school times. Residents who live down Fox road, Brundrett road, Crawley road, Memorial drive, the Belgrave-Hallam road/Narre Warren North road intersection and A’Beckett road already have difficulty turning out of these roads which causes great congestion. These six roads are within 2.5 kilometres of each other so it is not feasible to install traffic lights in the future. Additional traffic travelling along Narre Warren North road and Belgrave-Hallam road will make it near impossible and extremely dangerous for residents.
I am also concerned that the increase in traffic will affect the efficiency of the Narre Warren North Fire Brigade, an essential emergency service in our community. The majority of members live in the aforementioned roads off Narre Warren North road and Belgrave-Hallam road. I strongly anticipate that increased traffic will impact their ability to get to the station on Narre Warren North road in a timely manner, which will delay their attendance to emergencies. This is a concern for the whole community.
Other infrastructure including footpaths is also inadequate in the area. There are no footpaths for pedestrians on Narre Warren North road/Belgrave-Hallam road between Memorial drive and A’Beckett road. At current it is difficult to cross these main roads, particularly during peak hour and school times. I would love for my children to be able to walk to primary school, but unfortunately if the proposed development is accepted, the increase in traffic will make it dangerous and impossible.
Overall, the proposed development is NOT acceptable knowing that the traffic will increase dramatically and that the infrastructure is not adequate.
Secondly, a development of such magnitude, for whatever purpose, is not aligned with this area and I feel very strongly that it will ruin the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs. Furthermore, the proposed site is in a Green Wedge Zone, designed to protect, conserve and enhance the biodiversity, natural resources, scenic landscapes and heritage values of the area.
Having read the planning submission and traffic report for the proposed development, it is obvious that the buildings are not fitting with the local area of Narre Warren North. I am bewildered that the recommendation is to remove all trees along Belgrave-Hallam road and I am concerned how the development of the 22 acres will impact the local flora and fauna.
Please consider how the proposed development will adversely impact the Narre Warren North community. Many of us have lived here for years and we feel very passionately about the conservation of our beautiful town.
I wish to object to the proposed Mosque in Narre Warren Nth. I have lived in Narre Warren Nth for over 15 years and love the rural aspect of our town. Building of such places shouldn't be in a beautiful rural area. (which is also a zoned as green wedge)
I've worked hard to provide a family home as have many others, I know we will lose value on our properties if this is built!!
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I object to the mosque being built in Narre Warren South, there is no need for anther mosque anywhere in Australia. The mosque will couse huge traffic delays for permanent residences.
This mosque will impact on the beautiful surroundings in Narre Warren. There would be no benefits to the community in any way.
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in the Narre Warren North area, one is already on the Hallam/Belgrave road, plus another within 6Km, , there is no need for more Mosques, especially when it is not just a Mosques but will be the largest in Melbourne, and a School for 950 as well as a residential hub.
The infrastructure is this area is inadequate. Given that Heatherton road, Narre Warren North road and the Belgrave-Hallam road are the main roads to access the proposed development. The amount of traffic will increase dramatically. These three roads are all single carriageway and already carry a significant amount of traffic, particularly during peak hour and school times.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
I strongly object to the proposal of the building of another mosque in Narre Warren, at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
Firstly, it will create traffic chaos, noise and congestion.
This is a semi-rural, residential area, not commercial and that should be respected by our local council.
To build this enormous mosque at the base of our beautiful foothills will create an eyesore for both locals and those passing through.
The muslim population in this area is the minority group and the voice of the majority MUST be heard by the people who represent us, the council!
I have lived in the City of Casey for 26 years, and in Narre Warren North for 12 years, I've paid my rates, built my life and that of my family in what is one of the most beautiful parts of the City of Casey. And we pay higher rates than all other residents in this municipality, so that we can live in this the beautiful area. And now you are proposing to build an enormous monstrosity with little regard for the people who already live here and have PAID to live here.
It is a quiet semi-rural area, already struggling with traffic flow.
This proposal would entirely change the aspect of our beautiful area, mess with the already struggling north and south bound traffic, as well as de-value all the homes we've worked hard to buy and build.
And being a minority group, a building devoted to muslim worship and schooling does not belong in this area.
I have no desire to listen to the call of prayer several times per day from my home.
I would strongly suggest the muslim contingent find an area where the muslim population is the majority.
It is NOT in beautiful, quiet, semi-rural Narre Warren North!
I can assure the council members that should this proposal go ahead, it will be met with ongoing opposition and protests by the people who ALREADY LIVE HERE and ALREADY PAY TO LIVE HERE.
I can also guarantee a plunge in property prices and plenty of saddened residents selling up and moving.
I for one, will be amongst them.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I object to the purposed Mosque and Islamic school at 365-367 Belgrave - Hallam Road Narre Warren North.
I believe it will go against the Green Wedge Zoning of the area.The existing semi rural setting is a major reason for people moving to this area. Under the Casey Planning Scheme Cl.22 the Casey foothills requires visual qualities that will contribute to a positive image of the municipality as a desired place to live.
There are already 2 other Mosques within 6 km of the proposed site. They both have issues with illegal parking causing road safety concerns. Traffic in the surrounding area is already congested, especially on Heatherton and Wellington Roads in the mornings and afternoons. With the inclusion of a school there will undoubtedly be traffic chaos when young children are being dropped off and picked up.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North for the following reasons:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not equipped to deal with high numbers of people or traffic. The land is semi rural and not suitable for a mosque. The proposed land area is in a 'Green wedge' Zone.
I believe it will stand out and destroy the beautiful landscape of the area.
The peak traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already more than enough that the single lane roads can support. Adding the extra proposed traffic will overload the roads leading to the potential for severe accidents.
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There is already a school planned across the road on the corner of A'beckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. as well as the current existing Narre Warren North primary School.
And this is all planned right on top of one of the areas most beautiful places "Lysterfield Lake'.
Creating a Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us and also devalue the properties in the area.
I’m not sure why we need another Mosque as there is already one not 5 Km away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam.
Is there not a more suitable location for such a building?
Maybe in the fountain gate central area, where there is mutli lane roads ( including a freeway) capable to handle the increase in traffic. Available public transport close by (bus and train) and also more central to the higher density population of the area.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The proposed does not fit in or suit the environment of the area & will look like a eyesore
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The proposed does not fit in or suit the environment of the area & will look like a eyesore
We strongly oppose this notion.
This is a beautiful rural piece of land in a peaceful residential area.
There are already 2 mosques close by, why does there need to be another?
The traffic congestion it would cause on an already struggling road would be a nightmare also.
We STRONGLY object to the mosque, new school and residential hub in this location. Narre Warren North is a low density neighbourhood, a friendly place of calm and tranquility. A development such as this will change Narre Warren North forever, it will create an city like environment - traffic, people, lots of noise and the roads will not cope. Once one mosque is built, then the next mosque will be built and then the next. Narre Warren North will become a City and the original residents will be forced to move to find the place that place of calm once again.
Please don't change our beautiful suburb.
I object to this mosque as it has no benefit to the wider community or local residents, it would take away the value of this area. It would cause unnecessary traffic build up and the noise and building itself would be offensive to the residents who reside nearby. This area should be kept as it is..a beautiful country like ours doesn't need another mosque for the Muslims to segregate and exclude non-Muslims from. Would you like it next to your house? I don't think so!
I strongly oppose this notion.
This is a beautiful rural piece of land in a peaceful residential area.
There are already 2 mosques close by, why does there need to be another?
The traffic congestion it would cause on an already struggling road would be a nightmare also.
I strongly oppose this notion.
This is a beautiful rural piece of land in a peaceful residential area.
There are already 2 mosques close by, why does there need to be another?
The traffic congestion it would cause on an already struggling road would be a nightmare also.
it has no benefit to the wider community or local residents, will look like a eyesore
Regarding: Application reference no. PINA00679/14
I strongly object to the proposed Mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North as in my opinion this type of development is definitely not fitting with the feel and structure of this community. Please listen to the communities objections, they are the ones that make this area an enviable place to live and by going against their wishes shows great disrespect for the current community as a whole, many of whom have lived in this area for generations.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
As a neighborhood resident I strongly object to the proposed mosque at this location.
First due expect huge traffic issues for cars trying to turn into adjacent streets (Brundrett Rd, Crawley Rd, Memorial Dr) at peak hour which is already a very frustrating experience. Belgrave Hallam rd, leading to the proposed development is only a single lane each way. This will be traffic nightmare.
Second, creating such a large project in area a low density residential area with sparse Muslim population does not make sense. It will turn the suburb from balanced multi-ethnic, multi-faith community to a one that is dominated by people of the Muslim faith. Additionally, There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an example.
Third, the value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area.
This part of Narre Warren North is perhaps the most scenic and beautiful in this suburb. If this project goes ahead this nature will change forever. Please keep it that way it is for future generations.
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Regarding: Application reference no. PINA00679/14
I strongly object to the proposed Mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North as in my opinion this type of development is definitely not fitting with the feel and structure of this community.
There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an examples.
It would change the whole scenic landscape of Narre Warren North which was envisaged as a rural/farming area. City of Casey needs to retain open "green" spaces.
I ask Luke Donnellan to reject this application as he has been a vocal and active member of parliament in this electorate.
I object on the grounds that Narre Warren North should remain free from large establishments such as these that will impact the semi-rural outlook of the area and the local wildlife. I would like to highlight that I am not against the dwelling on racial principles as I would object to any buildings of this size including worship buildings of any religion, shopping centres, housing estates, etc to be built on this land. I believe it should be kept for agriculture or farm uses as i enjoy living in such a landscape - if i wanted to live in a heavily build up area I wouldn't be in Narre Warren North!
In addition, I have concerns for traffic and safety that a mosque, school and islamic hub will create when traffic is entering and exiting on the busy 80km/h Hallam Belgrave road which is singularly laned each way, especially since the proposed site is close to the A'Beckett intersection.
As I reside close to the proposed site my everyday commute will be impacted on surrounding 'feeder roads' during peak periods where congestion is already an issue.
I strongly object to the proposed Mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North as in my opinion this type of development is definitely not fitting with the feel and structure of this community.
There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an examples.
It would change the whole scenic landscape of Narre Warren North which was envisaged as a rural/farming area. City of Casey needs to retain open "green" spaces.
We have lived in Narre Warren for 45 years and have seen many changes and this is one change that we do not want to see.
Have some respect to the tax paying residents that live in the area.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied & edited another persons letter as it is exactly what I agree with and would write, the only thing I would add is that I am strongly opposed to any further developments of any community groups, or religious groups. Developments of this size & nature are not suitable to Narre Warren North (refer reasons below).
Council, LISTEN to what the vast majority of our community is saying!
This proposed development would mean drastic negative changes for us locals of Narre Warren North, if recent experiences of the “Hallam Mosque” are anything to go by! This new proposed development has now also been labeled as the “LARGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA”, with anticipated patronage of 1500+ on 22 acres, over a few “stages” of development.
I live near the "Hallam Mosque" & have first hand experience as to the changes & problems directly attributed to it. Every neighbour I have ever spoken to about this is very, very frustrated and angry. Many complaints have been lodged with council over the last few years. The initial assurances given by Council, insisting there would be minimal impact in the surrounding neighbourhoods, have proved to be very FALSE and misleading in fact.
To all the NON Objectors posting on this site or elsewhere: STOP citing Australian law & discrimination, as if the “rights” of the muslim community override the rights of the majority of the people who already live there. I believe most of the mosque’s patrons are very likely to come from suburbs other than Narre Warren North - similar situation as to what has already been observed at the “Hallam Mosque”. Objectors objections are NOT worthless. It is the local people who are objecting & with good reason. People who live in this area have a right to free speech as well. PLEASE actually read people’s comments & UNDERSTAND that it is “you” who propose coming into this quiet suburb on “YOUR” terms. Respect & acknowledge that fact please!
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
As a neighborhood resident I STRONGLY OBJECT to the proposed mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
SOME of the reasons that I object are as follows:
1/- We built in Narre Warren 13 years ago as it was a beautiful location where we would not be surrounded by religious fanatics. The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Over the years Narre Warren and surrounding suburbs has progressively changed and it is already hosting more than it's fair share of Religious establishments.
If this permit is allowed to proceed, this would be allowing 1 religious denomination to dominate Narre Warren and result in people of other religious denominations and non-religious people not wanting to live in the area.
Enough is enough. We do NOT want Narre Warren to be turned into the biggest Muslim hub!! If the council allows this to proceed, it raises the question of why ?? Is greed the motivation ??? Local residents should have been advised of this long ago and not just find out about this plan at the last minute. Something as major as this should have seen council sending out communications to ALL residents in the surrounding area. Why has this been kept so quiet ???
2/- The huge traffic issues for cars trying to turn into adjacent streets (Brundrett Rd, Crawley Rd, Memorial Dr) at peak hour which is already a very frustrating experience. Belgrave Hallam rd, leading to the proposed development is only a single lane each way. This will be traffic nightmare.
3/- This is a Residential area, DO NOT TURN IT INTO A RELIGIOUS HUB. This would drastically alter the population of Narre Warren and change it from a multi-ethnic community to a Muslim community. Narre Warren should should remain multicultural not a Muslim centre. There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an example. If that is not sufficient, then obviously Narre Warren is already on the way to becoming a Muslim city and this growth should not be able to continue. If the Muslim followers are not happy with this, they can always move to an area that is more sparsely populated with Muslims and then they won't have the overcrowding issues they are complaining about. No Muslim mosques have been removed from the area, in fact the number has increased over the years, so they have no right to complain. If they don't like it, don't move to the area and then complain that you want it to change!
4/- Narre Warren North is perhaps the most scenic and beautiful in this suburb. If this project goes ahead this nature will change forever. Please keep it that way it is for future generations.
5/- The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Are council willing to reduce everyone's rates in accordance with the massive devaluing of residential properties as a result of this going ahead ??? Surely this would give everyone who has objected the right to sue for losses that would be realised as a direct result of this planning permit going ahead.
6/- Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not equipped to deal with high numbers of people or traffic. The land is semi rural and not suitable for a mosque. The proposed land area is in a 'Green wedge' Zone.
I believe it will stand out and destroy the beautiful landscape of the area.
7/- The peak traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already more than enough that the single lane roads can support. Adding the extra proposed traffic will overload the roads leading to the potential for severe accidents.
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8/- There is already a school planned across the road on the corner of A'beckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. as well as the current existing Narre Warren North primary School. And this is all planned right on top of one of the areas most beautiful places "Lysterfield Lake'. This new school will be adding to already strained traffic management, how on earth could the area cope the the influx of traffic if the permit is allowed to proceed ???
9/-I believe it will go against the Green Wedge Zoning of the area.The existing semi rural setting is a major reason for people moving to this area. Under the Casey Planning Scheme Cl.22 the Casey foothills requires visual qualities that will contribute to a positive image of the municipality as a desired place to live.
There are already 2 other Mosques within 6 km of the proposed site. They both have issues with illegal parking causing road safety concerns. Traffic in the surrounding area is already congested, especially on Heatherton and Wellington Roads in the mornings and afternoons. With the inclusion of a school there will undoubtedly be traffic chaos when young children are being dropped off and picked up. Adding a large (the largest) mosque to the area will make the roads more dangerous and post a serious risk to the children attending the new school.
The list could continue, but I'm sure that you get the gist of it. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO PRECEDE !!! (Unless of course you would rather be called Muslim City Council instead of Casey City Council )
I hereby wish to object to the permit application PINA00679/14 proposing a mosque and Islamic school in Narre warren north. Narre warren north is a low residential zone not suitable or equipped for high masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct. I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the foothills of the Dandenongs. The traffic within the area and surrounds will be more congested. There is already a catholic school to be built opposite causing more traffic congestion. I have been a resident of Narre warren north for 25 years creating a Muslim Hub in Narre warren north will create a drastic change in the area and will compromise the already beautiful and rural environment surrounding me. We already have a mosque within the Narre warren north area.
I object to this planning permit as we already have congestion on both Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road. I currently experience difficulty getting into Heatherton Road in the mornings and when the Mosque on Belgrave-Hallam Road finishes their gatherings there is a real danger of near miss accidents occurring in a regular basis as cars just exit the mosque showing no regard to oncoming traffic.
The proposed site is in a green belt and will definitely impact our "serene" environment. It will definitely be an eye sore on our tranquil community.
I urge Council to deny this development as I see no need for ANOTHER mosque when there already is one for people to go and pray at in the very same street.
Our roads are single carriageways and a building/residence/shops is not within Councils own guidelines for a green belt area. I am a resident who currently has issues getting around my day to day activities with the traffic congestion as it is and would find it horrific if this development goes through.
I object to another mosque being built in our area. I object to the additional noise and the additional traffic. I object to any commercial buildings going up in this area and I certainly object to another eyesore of a mosque in an area where they already have 2 very close nearby. Consult the people City of Casey, enough is enough!
I completely object and i dont feel an explanation is relevant
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied & edited another persons letter as it is exactly what I agree with and would write, the only thing I would add is that I am strongly opposed to any further developments of any community groups, or religious groups. Developments of this size & nature are not suitable to Narre Warren North (refer reasons below).
Council, LISTEN to what the vast majority of our community is saying!
This proposed development would mean drastic negative changes for us locals of Narre Warren North, if recent experiences of the “Hallam Mosque” are anything to go by! This new proposed development has now also been labeled as the “LARGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA”, with anticipated patronage of 1500+ on 22 acres, over a few “stages” of development.
I live near the "Hallam Mosque" & have first hand experience as to the changes & problems directly attributed to it. Every neighbour I have ever spoken to about this is very, very frustrated and angry. Many complaints have been lodged with council over the last few years. The initial assurances given by Council, insisting there would be minimal impact in the surrounding neighbourhoods, have proved to be very FALSE and misleading in fact.
To all the NON Objectors posting on this site & elsewhere: STOP citing Australian law & discrimination, as if the “rights” of the muslim community override the rights of the majority of the people who already live there. I believe most of the mosque’s patrons are very likely to come from suburbs other than Narre Warren North - similar situation as to what has already been observed at the “Hallam Mosque”. Objectors objections are NOT worthless. It is the local people who are objecting & with good reason. People who live in this area have a right to free speech as well. PLEASE actually read people’s comments & UNDERSTAND that it is “you” who propose coming into this quiet suburb on “YOUR” terms. Respect & acknowledge that fact please!
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road. I object to the additional noise and the additional traffic. I object to any commercial buildings going up in this area and I object to another mosque in this area. I also ask that a social impact study be conducted in regards to this application for development.
I object to the Mosque for several reasons. 3 of them being the the extra traffic to the area, which already struggles with the local traffic as it is. The site of a large Mosque in the beautiful picturescque hills and the extra noise that hundreds of people will make when gathering at the site.
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road. I object permit application PINA00679/14
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
Copied from another objection to which I wholly agree.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Council should be taking all objections seriously and consider the thoughts of the existing residents of this area and the impact it will have on Narre Warren North as a whole.
Yours sincerely,
Sandra Rawlings
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application (PINA00679/14) proposing a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
This will completely change the city of Casey....and not in a good way! If this permit is approved, it is pretty certain a huge majority of the current residents will leave (particularly those within close proximity to the mosque). The value of housing in the area will go down and the community feel will be totally changed. I cannot understand how this can possibly be up for consideration. The more tolerant we become to everything and anything, the more likely it is that we are leaving our selves and our country wide open for disaster. Do we really want to become like Syria, Afghanistan and other war torn Islamic countries?? No would be the answer by most Australians, so why are we going to allow it? Please I beg you to consider the HUGE ramifications this approval will have, not only on the city of Casey but on Australia as a whole. The worst thing would be to allow this and look back and wonder why such a thing was ever permitted! But by then it will be too late. Please weigh up the real cost here; the landscape that will be lost, the community feel, the safety most locals feel and value....it is not just another permit to be granted, this is much much bigger!! Just take a look at what has happened around the world where huge mosques have gone up. What happens to the towns, the people, the property prices....its devastating! Tell me is that what you're happy to approve for the city of Casey? I truly hope not, because I won't be sticking around if that is the case!!
I hereby wish to STRONGLY OBJECT to the Permit application (PINA00679/14) proposing a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
I strongly believe religious buildings should be limited to industrial areas where more room for parking and large gatherings during weekends and nights. This should be for all religions not just Muslim. As we cannot do much about what has already been built we should plan future buildings and settlements wisely. Once you lose the balance of the community consequences will be catastrophic and hard to bring back to balance. I have personally experience in arrogance, abuse and disrespect behaviour from people attending Hallam Rd Mosque. Vehicles entering and leaving premises some does not respect cars traveling on main road at all. We are sending a wrong message by approving above permits. I want to see Australia as Australia. I choose to settle in Narre Warren North because I like the way it is. Council has a duty of protecting the people already there before protecting rights of new entries. If you like to have a Mosque closer to you there are plenty of suburbs in Melbourne. Please don’t covert our peaceful suburb to a Western suburb where people deal with issues daily basis relating to similar situation. I do respect Muslim’s rights to practice their religion however I respect none Muslim’s rights as well.
If this permit is approved, it is pretty certain a huge majority of the current residents will leave the value of housing in the area will go down and the community feel will be totally changed. I cannot understand how this can possibly be up for consideration. The more tolerant we become to everything and anything, the more likely it is that we are leaving ourselves and our country wide open for disaster. The worst thing would be to allow this and look back and wonder why such a thing was ever permitted! But by then it will be too late. Please weigh up the real cost here; the landscape that will be lost, the community feel, the safety most locals feel and value....it is not just another permit to be granted, this is much bigger!! Just take a look at what has happened around the world where huge mosques have gone up. What happens to the towns, the people, the property prices....its devastating! Tell me is that what you're happy to approve for the city of Casey? I truly hope not, because I won't be sticking around if that is the case!!
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
I strongly object to another Mosque being built which would be no more than 5 minutes away from another Mosque on same road. This land would be more suited to aiding the majority population of local citizens of all cultures with a building to cater to their needs as well & not only the wants of a specific religion only. I think this will cause traffic problems especially on days like muslims EID where I have seen in NSW prayer mats & mosque attendees outside all over the roads with no consideration for local non muslim citizens trying to navigate through the chaos just to go to the shops or pick up their children at the time.
I strongly object to this application as it will have nothing but a negative impact on the area and is an inappropriate development.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14. I strongly object to the building of a Mosque in a rural setting, if it were a Cathedral or a Temple I would also object as it would not enhance the feel and beauty of the Green wedge area. The traffic in the area is fast and dangerous and the proposed site is on a single lane, on a bend and close to an intersection, primary school and proposed high school. I have lived in the area for 30 years and was hoping to sell my property for my retirement but the value will drop immensely. My other concern is for my wife that is stressed and suffering from anxiety and not sleeping due to the threat it poses already with attacks on the banner and the lighting of a fire, this is a threat to all the community !
As a long term resident, I strongly object to this mosque not only for the obvious reasons:traffic congestion,noise,landscape being defaced,etc
But more so:They have shown to act illegally by operating without a permit.They are not to be trusted.
I strongly object to the council of the city of Casey approving another mosque in Narre Warren. The plan clearly shows the segregation between male & female, with male only prayer rooms, female only prayer rooms, seperate entrances for each. Woman having to sit upstairs Totally seperate to the men.
If council approves this mosque they are condoning sexual discrimination, which is against the law in Australia, which says no discrimination of race, sex or religion. This is leaving council open for a case of sexual discrimination against them.
The segregation of male & female prayer rooms just goes to show that if they can't integrate within their own people, then there is no way they will ever integrate with other races & religions.
The countryside in Narre Warren is rural & a mosque plonked in the middle will be an absolute eyesore & cause more traffic chaos in this area.
Very disappointed that the council knew about this development for maybe 12 months, but didn't have the decency to inform any of the local people about this monstrosity being built in their area until the minimum time allowed. It is well known that when a mosque is built in an area prices of houses fall dramatically, because the only ones wanting to live near a mosque are more Moslems. This is how areas are completely taken over. People get fed up, sell their houses at a loss, Moslems buy at a bargain price & on it goes. This has to stop. People are getting rather upset knowing full well that this wouldn't be allowed in Moslem countries. No way they would allow Christian churches in every suburb, if at all. Councils, government need to be held accountable for their actions. No more mosques.
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I think it is absolutely ridiculous that you would even think of building another Mosque in the area, and especially so close to the other one. I live near the Hallam one and leave home at 2.30pm on a Friday, well what a joke that is. There are cars pulling out in front of me coming out of the Mosque, also cars doing U turns everywhere. It's an accident waiting to happen, and it will be the same at the proposed Mosque.
My objection to 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North - Application No. PlnA00679/14.
THE BIGGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA!!!!! For a minority - 2.2% of Australia's population???? In semi-rural Narre Warren North! Why is another necessary when there's one nearby that accommodates the small group of muslims in the area?
In the 2011 census the religious makeup of Dandenong is 24.1% Islam it seems logical to me that they should build the biggest Mosque in Australia in Dandenong not in Narre Warren North where the Islamic population is so minimal.
Just in case Councillors have forgotten what a Green Wedge Zone is - here is a reminder from the Victoria Department of Environment, Land, Water & Planning
"The Green Wedge A Zone protects, conserves and enhances the biodiversity, natural resources, scenic landscapes and heritage values of the area" - I don't see MOSQUE in this description!
I object to the mosque plans as they are segregating women, thereby illegally treating them as second class citizens. This blatant discrimination is unaustralian and should not be tolerated.
Reasons for objections
The site is classified as residential and is within a Green Wedge Zone.
The proposal will devalue all the properties in the area. (This is totally unfair for all the residents of Narre Warren North).
The road infrastructure is insufficient already without adding further congestion.
There is no sign of upgrading the existing roads to cope with the current high volumes of traffic.
Narre Warren North Road between Ernst Wanke Road and Belgrave Hallam Road needs duplicating urgently and no land is yet acquired in Belgrave Hallam Road North of the proposed mosque for future widening.
There is already evidence that the council cannot sort out the mayhem that occurs at the Hallam mosque and should consider past mistakes that have been made in regard to location, traffic issues and noise.
A mosque of this magnitude should not be placed so close to the hub of Narre Warren North.
Access to this location would require the existing roadside flora to be destroyed and prevent any tree placement in future plantings.
I believe it will destroy the aesthetics of the area and be directly out of character for any of the foothills strategies for the Dandenongs ( Foothills Landscape Study).
There is already a school developing just North on Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1000 students from years prep to 12.
There were all sorts of issues with this school getting a planning approval due to traffic and access. It seems extraordinary if the council were to allow another development of such magnitude at the intersection of A’Beckett Road on such a dangerous bend in the road.
I believe there is a high risk for life on an extreme fire danger day should a wild fire come from Lysterfield Park into the grassland. The park actually shuts on those days, but a large gathering at the proposed location would cause concern if an evacuation had to happen rapidly.
How will I be affected by the grant of a permit?
All of the above reasons for my objection do affect me.
I have lived in Narre Warren North for 56 years. I have seen it develop and grow into a lovely residential but still a semi rural community. The proposed mosque would destroy this.
There are major traffic issues that have not yet been sorted.
I have listened to people who have to put up with the problems around the Hallam mosque. I do not want this duplicated in Narre Warren North.
Aesthetics is everything to a community. I do not want to see a 25 metre tall tower every time I drive or walk the area.
I am a member of the Narre Warren North Fire Brigade and have been for over 40 years. In my personal view, this proposal to have such a large gathering causes me concern for safety in regard to rapid evacuation.
I have a pecuniary interest by owning a house in Narre Warren North, as does every resident. This mosque will devalue the surrounding area without a doubt.
Reasons for objections
The site is classified as residential and is within a Green Wedge Zone.
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high masses of people and traffic. I believe it will destroy the aesthetics of the area and be directly out of character for any of the foothills strategies for the Dandenongs ( Foothills Landscape Study).Many people choose to live in Narre Warren North for the semi rural atmosphere. They have paid high prices for their blocks of land and continue to pay large rates to the council on a yearly basis. The Mosque will only add increased traffic to Narre Warren North, increased noise, a building that does not fit in with the rural outlook and no advantages at all to the local residents.
The road infrastructure is insufficient already without adding further congestion.
There is no sign of upgrading the existing roads to cope with the current high volumes of traffic.
Narre Warren North Road between Ernst Wanke Road and Belgrave Hallam Road needs duplicating urgently and no land is yet acquired in Belgrave Hallam Road North of the proposed mosque for future widening.
There is already evidence that the council cannot sort out the mayhem that occurs at the Hallam mosque and should consider past mistakes that have been made in regard to location, traffic issues and noise.
A mosque of this magnitude should not be placed so close to the hub of Narre Warren North as it contravenes the Casey Council Places of Assembly/Worship policy (version 1.3 ) in regards to the location, building design and landscaping.
There is already a school developing just North on Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1000 students. There are all sorts of issues with this school getting a planning approval due to traffic issues and access. Therefore it seems extraordinary to allow this new development of such magnitude at the intersection of A’Beckett Road on such a dangerous bend.
The Mosque should be built in a suburb that has the specific demographic that will use the facility. Not where the majority of the demographic will not use it and will only be greatly inconvenienced.
How will I be affected by the grant of a permit?
All of the above reasons for my objection do affect me.
I have lived in Narre Warren North for over 30 years. I have seen it develop and grow into a lovely residential but still a semi rural community. The proposed mosque would destroy this.
There are major traffic issues that have not yet been sorted.
I have listened to people who have to put up with the problems around the Hallam mosque. I do not want this duplicated in Narre Warren North.
Aesthetics is everything to a community. I do not want to see a 25 metre tall tower every time I drive or walk the area.
I have a pecuniary interest by owning a house in Narre Warren North, as does every resident. This mosque will devalue the surrounding area without a doubt.
I hereby strongly object to the any place of religion "mosque or church "being built on the premise at 365 -367 Belgrave Hallam road . The traffic and local roads and infrastructure is not sufficient to handle the traffic at anytime in the near future. The structure is not fitting for the surrounding suburbs and will become an eye sore to local residents and bring property prices down . There are already several other mosques in the surrounding suburbs being Hallam,Dandenong and Rowville and with the limited amount of Muslims in the area there is no need for a large scale purposely built islamalic teaching academy when the Islamic council as recently as 2014 purchased a doveton school site for 4.2 million dollars . There is also another planned girls college for this area far more fitting in line with the surrounding Suberb.
To the Mayor and Councillors of the City of Casey, Regarding: Application reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the above planning proposal for the following reasons:
It is my personal belief that a development of this magnitude in the proposed location will cause significant issues with the local infrastructure. Currently Hallam Belgrave Rd and Heatherton Rd are already very congested during peak traffic times. Hallam Belgrave Rd from the proposed site to Wellington Rd does not have any road reserve for duplication. With the development of another school directly opposite this proposed site, which will cater for approximately 1000 students, there will already be significant stress added to the limited road and pedestrian infrastructure. The traffic impact study performed for the developers of the Mosque was conducted a considerable time ago. Wouldn’t it be prudent to conduct a current independent traffic management study that takes into account the school which is under construction before a decision is made? It is suggested in this study that the vegetation on the road verge be removed for visibility as the access to this development is on a blind corner. Removal of this vegetation would be in direct odds to the Casey Foothills Strategy.
There are already two Mosques within a short distance to this location, Hallam and Lysterfield. The Hallam Mosque has for a long time caused severe road disruptions to the locals and patrons have been illegally parking causing much congestion and inconvenience to residents. I believe if this development is approved it will cause the same problems making it a very dangerous stretch of road and near impossible for local residents to navigate their own suburb. I already have much trouble accessing my property without more congestion.
The proposed location with such a volume of people is also cause for concern in regards to grass fire. It is in an open grassland area that is in close proximity to Lysterfield Park. This would surely cause great concern and be very problematic for emergency services to manage in the event of a fire.
I feel that a detailed financial assessment should be completed to determine the cost to upgrade the current infrastructure to support such a volume of people. I am also concerned as to how this will be funded. Places of worship don’t pay rates as stated in the Local Government Act 1989-Disscusion Paper-P69 s.154. Considering Narre Warren North is a small semi-rural community with a low density of Muslims, the majority of the patrons will come from outside our local community therefore they will not be contributing to the cost associated with the required infrastructure.
I also feel this development would be in direct contrast to the Casey Foothills Strategy and the City of Casey Places of Assembly/Worship Policy (Version 1.3). A Mosque in this location would not fit in with the natural landscape and would require removal of native vegetation. Narre Warren North is a low density residential suburb that prides itself on its rich farming history which is evident throughout with the large blocks and lifestyles enjoyed by its residents. Such a large complex with a 25 meter minaret/viewing platform is very invasive to the natural surroundings and the residents alike. I feel it would be very intrusive to have people looking into our backyards. We have purchased property in this area to create private havens for our families, not to be viewed upon by people who wish to segregate themselves from our community by creating their own closed gate community.
Noise caused from the call to prayer 5 times a day would also be very intrusive to our lives and harmony in the area as this will force a religion upon people who do not wish to follow it.
The Narre Warren North community is a small community of around 6212 people (2011 Census) with a small percentage of Muslims (5.6% in all of Casey, 2011 Census). I feel that if there is to be a closed gate community of 1500 Muslims with the expectation to expand to 3000 plus in such a small community it will have a massive negative effect on the local demographic. Furthermore our property prices will be severely affected.
My partner and I purchased our property with the view of raising our children in this idyllic family and multi culturally orientated semi-rural setting. This will be greatly compromised if the demographic was to change to one ethnicity being a total of around one third of the community. Narre Warren North will lose its identity as we now know it.
Furthermore has there been any consultation with the Bunurong and Wurundjeri People to find out if the proposed site is of cultural significance to them?
We wish to "strongly object" to a Mosque being constructed and operated from a proposed site at 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, Narre Warren North.
The building of such a large complex is in direct contradiction to the Casey Footshills Poicy which is designed to protect the overall ambience and that beautiful semi rural setting that people who have settled in the area and others who come to visit the area on a regular basis, have come to enjoy, especially that village experience.
As part of the plan by the those requesting a permit to build a mosque, is setup a learning centre that will accomodate in excess of 900 students on any day. This will place tremendous pressure on the traffic on all roads in that area seven days a week, all hours of the day and night.
The Casey Council have already demonstrated their incompetence in allowing the building of a Mental Health facility on the corner of Memorial Drive and Narre Warren North where the facility does not have enough parking spots to accomodate people attending the facility.
People are allowed to just park along Memorial Drive which, is against any planning permit granted for public facilities. Therefore based on that decision, we could expect people attending the Mosque for the council to also allow people to park along either side of Narre Warren North road once the Mosque becomes operational.
The land in the area is also designated a "Green Wedge Zone". These zones are purposed by wise people with a vision to ensure Narre Warren North is aligned to the Dandenong Ranges environmental policies that are strictly enforced upon any residents wishing to construct any dwelling under that policy.
Those making any decision to allow such construction need to be very careful of the long term ramifications impacting the residents in Narre Warren North and surrounding areas.
We wish to "strongly object" to a Mosque being constructed and operated from a proposed site at 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, Narre Warren North.
The building of such a large complex is in direct contradiction to the Casey Footshills Poicy which is designed to protect the overall ambience and that beautiful semi rural setting that people who have settled in the area and others who come to visit the area on a regular basis, have come to enjoy, especially that village experience.
As part of the plan by the those requesting a permit to build a large mosque and the setting up of a learning centre that will accomodate in excess of 900 students on any day. This will place tremendous pressure on the traffic on all roads in that area seven days a week, all hours of the day and night.
The Casey Council have already demonstrated their incompetence in allowing the building of a Mental Health facility on the corner of Memorial Drive and Narre Warren North where the facility does not have enough parking spots to accomodate people attending the facility.
People are allowed to just park along Memorial Drive which, is against any planning permit granted for public facilities. Therefore based on that decision, we could expect people attending the Mosque for the council to also allow people to park along either side of Narre Warren North road once the Mosque becomes operational.
The land in the area is also designated a "Green Wedge Zone". These zones are purposed by wise people with a vision to ensure Narre Warren North is aligned to the Dandenong Ranges environmental policies that are strictly enforced upon any residents wishing to construct any dwelling under that policy.
Those making any decision to allow such construction need to be very careful of the long term ramifications impaction the residents in Narre Warren North and surrounding areas.
I vehemently object to the proposed mosque in Narre Warren.
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I have copied & edited another persons letter as it is exactly what I agree with and would write, the only thing I would add is that I am strongly opposed to any further developments of any community/religious groups. Developments of this size & nature are not suitable to Narre Warren North (refer reasons below).
Council, LISTEN to what the vast majority of our community is saying!
This proposed development would mean drastic negative changes for us locals of Narre Warren North, if recent experiences of the “Hallam Mosque” are anything to go by! This new proposed development has now also been labeled as the “LARGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA”, with anticipated patronage of 1500+ on 22 acres, over a few “stages” of development.
I live near the "Hallam Mosque" & have first hand experience as to the changes & problems directly attributed to it. Every neighbour I have ever spoken to about this is very, very frustrated and angry. Many complaints have been lodged with council over the last few years. The initial assurances given by Council, insisting there would be minimal impact in the surrounding neighbourhoods, have proved to be very FALSE and misleading in fact.
To all the NON Objectors posting on this site: STOP citing Australian law & discrimination, as if the “rights” of the muslim community override the rights of the majority of the people who already live there. I believe most of the mosque’s patrons are very likely to come from suburbs other than Narre Warren North - similar situation as to what has already been observed at the “Hallam Mosque”. Objectors objections are NOT worthless. It is the local people who are objecting & with good reason. People who live in this area have a right to free speech as well. PLEASE actually read people’s comments & UNDERSTAND that it is “you” who propose coming into this quiet suburb on “YOUR” terms. Respect & acknowledge that fact please!
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
I object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
In relation to the Mosque and Church at the other end of Belgrave Hallam road
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential dwelling in this rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes. I believe this will affect the house prices in the area and cause both extra unwanted noise issues and extra traffic problems to region which is bad enough without adding this unnecessary place of worship which does not match the surrounding region.
This will quite clearly cause the same issues as the two mosques at the end of Belgrave Hallam Road.
Regards,
Ryan Staples
To Casey Planning Manager,
As an affected resident, I strongly object to the proposed mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North, VIC 3804, permit application: PInA00679/14 – (Cherie Wanat).
I would object to any applicants who have had no respect for the local community.
I live in the estate opposite the mosque on 135-137 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North, VIC and despite ‘no parking’ signs and ‘no local traffic’ signs, they continually drive into the estate. Two blocks without no dwellings have the fence palings ripped off so they can conveniently walk across the road to the Belgrave-Hallam Road mosque. We originally objected to the application and were promised there would be adequate parking, no traffic congestion, small congregations and no disturbance to the local residents’. Nobody told us about flood lights at night piercing through our curtains. Nobody told us that during Ramadan I wouldn’t be able to drive into my home or out. To solve the problem, maybe the council could give me a tip on where to go on holiday that month? Prices of properties will decrease, and one group of people will be pushed out of a dream home to accommodate another. Traffic violations are endless and it’s most common to see a U-turn in a no U-turn zone, which could kill someone one day. The people who are building their dream home next to proposed mosque, good luck. Considering the size of the project, multiply the problems of the existing mosque on 135-137 Belgrave-Hallam Road by ten-fold. If the permit is granted, the lives of residents in the area will be drastically affected. We will be sold out again to accommodate a minority who don’t live in the area. Don’t expect respect, your fence will be ripped off so they can walk to the mosque. Everyone who has worked hard and paid a premium to live in a scenic semi-rural area, on larger blocks, reduced noise, uncongested traffic, instead, will get people from who knows where parking on the front of their houses. ‘Local traffic only’ signs don’t help, I promise you that. The benefit this development provides to the local community is ZERO. Just ten-fold problems. Since purchase of the land in 2013, transparency regarding this application was kept under the carpet. No different from the application for the mosque on 135-137 Belgrave-Hallam Road. The council didn’t listen to rate payers and the permit was granted. We got lots of promises: like small congregation’s only, adequate parking, no disturbance to residents etc. Where was the council to implement any of these promises? It was the residents who were stuck with all these problems and we still are. Approving application at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road will be a carbon copy of the application approval of 135-137 Belgrave-Hallam Road. Rate payers have nothing to gain and plenty to lose. Oh yes, we are going to gain a big ugly building with lots of parking, lots of traffic in a rural green belt. Dear council, please tell me who is going to buy properties affected if you approve the permit application?
Kind regards,
Jerry Mlinaric
PS. I would also like to know the residential address of the council members responsible for making the decision regarding this permit?
I strongly object to the mosque being built on 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
My objection to the building of another mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North - Application No. PlnA00679/14.
I strongly object to this application as it will have a negative impact on the area.
I have seen on you-tube that in Paris, France, at their prayer times, it became so congested that the mosque attendees knelt all over the roads with no consideration for the non-muslim residents who had no way to get past, not until they had finished their prayer time. I don't want to see our country, especially my living surroundings, become like that.
I strongly object to the building of this mosque. It is obviously unnecessary to have 3 mosques within 6KM of each other. If it was necessary to build another mosque to cater for the ever growing number of Muslims, it would be highly impractical. Keeping in mind the inevitable traffic jams that would occur whenever they meet, the City of Casey would be drastically affected. This application is clearly unneeded and impractical.
I have issues with the blatant discrimination against women that this mosque will involve. If I were to let this community into my neighbourhood, would I be allowed in to their community, being non Muslim, being female. Any business, community centre, social interactive group that takes its place in the area welcomes the community as a whole, being whatever religion, race or sex into their environment. Unfortunately, this would not happen in a mosque. If a church was built, I would be welcomed and have the assurance of being able to enter without any segregation or discrimination against my sex.
I strongly object to the planned Mosque and school being built at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Rd. Planning Application No PINA00679/14.
We already have 2 Mosques within close proximity and do not need another. The one at the Hallam Rd / Belgrave-Hallam Rd already creates significant increase in traffic congestion at various times of the day. This new Mosque will surely add to this traffic congestion. The cars are often parked on both sides of the road near the intersection, often at varying angles and even up on the nature strip making it quite dangerous when approaching the intersection.
As this area is residential and part of the Green wedge zone, I believe that this building and its attached school will negatively impact on this semi-rural area and will ultimately lower our property values.
We moved into this area 35 years ago because of its semi-rural nature and feel that as we become surrounded more and more by these large buildings/churches, that the area has lost its charm and character and above all no longer has the prestige or class that it once had.
As a resident living on the same road, I strongly object to the proposed mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North, VIC 3804, permit application: PInA00679/14.
I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
Narre Warren North is a LOW RESIDENTIAL ZONE, our area is not suitable for a high volume of people.
This proposed area being in a Green Wedge Zone.
There is already a mosque not far down the road which cause traffic congestion on a daily basis. The Muslim community in our area is a small minority why must we have 2 mosques with 4 km of each other.
I also have issues with discrimination that this mosque will involve. If we were to let this community into our neighborhood, would I be allowed into their community, being non Muslim, being female and gay. I think not.
We moved to this area because of the beautiful surroundings and friendly community. I believe creating a Muslim Hub will change the area and destroy our beautiful environment.
No I have not made a donation to a Councillor or Council employee. I object to this building on many levels. First level: there are adequate number of these mosques in the Narree Warren district to service the present and future requirements of Islam Ideology Organizations, look up the Mosque Australia Islamic Records for confirmation. Second level: the legal case just won in the legal system indicated a preset bias against women attending on an equal basis to men, therefore it is possible the Narre Warren Council may face the same legal challenge in the near future. Third level: This building will segregate the existing community into followers of Islam and all non-followers of Islam. The existing community will not benefit from erecting this building. Already the Islamic community has facilities the same as this and it is used only by a small minority of the population. This will not be to the ratepayers and non-muslims of Narre Warrens advantage.
I completely object the construction of the Mosque because it will incur huge traffic issues and it is very noisy.
It will also destroy the view of the beautiful suburb of Narre Warren and Lysterfield Park.
Meanwhile, we don't want our kids to live in an environment with high uncertainty. UK and Europe can demonstrate that well.
I strongly object to the building of this mosque. Currently the traffic is becoming terrible, and building mosque can make it worse, which will affected the city of casey greatly. Besides, there are adequate number of mosques, what's the point of building another one? After all, moslines are not the only races who lived here.
As a long term resident and ratepayer living on Belgrave Hallam Rd,
I strongly object to the proposed MOSQUE& SCHOOL at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North, VIC 3804, permit application: PInA00679/14.
The existing mosque on Belgrave Hallam Rd (which is some what smaller then this proposal), has so many unresolved issues around traffic that we experience on a daily basis. Yet another application on the same street is being put forward. WHY!!!
This proposed site will be disastrous major infrastructure will be need to be implemented, i don't have concerns, but am amazed that our local member & minister for roads Luke Doneellan has not had the foresight to consider the application on these grounds before his department approved this.
Narre Warren North is a LOW RESIDENTIAL ZONE, our area is not suitable for a high volume of people.
This proposed development area is part of the Green Wedge Zone, protected by the Casey Foothills Policy (supposedly) how does this school & mosque fit in!
The Muslim community in our area is a small minority why must we have 2 mosques with 4 km of each other.
Our community has beautiful surroundings and friendly community. I believe proposal will change the area and destroy our beautiful environment and will negatively impact on this semi-rural area and will ultimately lower our property values.
Based on the my experiences of livining in Narre Warren arrea, I strongly object to the proposed MOSQUE& SCHOOL at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road, Narre Warren North and my points are based on the three following reasons:
1: there are traffic all the time in the early morning and the road is really full pack. To be built a mosque will make the traffic heavier and will cost the city council to make more contributions to improve the traffic which is kinds of wasting for the money we paid to the city council and i believe that the money can be used to build more multi-cultural harmony environment but not just for the advantage of single culture.
2:In my living area, there are not many Muslims living nearby and if there are a mosque to be built in that area, there will be more muslims together, whcih in the current circumstance, will cause more panic to our living area and as mentioned before, we would rather to see more multi cutures living together rather than single culture occupied into this area.
3:There are a few mosque here and really can fit all the Muslim community here. The public resource can not be wasted to build something wasted.
There are my suggestions and hope the city of casey will consider it and no matter what happens we will respect the city council's desicion
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area, already being one on the Hallam/Belgrave road and traffic at times is ridiculous, no need for more Mosques where residents have invested so much time in these homes to create such a beautiful environment only to be spoil with that of an ugly Mosque and its surrounding buildings, enough is enough.
I for one would consider moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque.
I object to a mosque traffic and dangerous behavior will come out of this and why does 2% of Australia's population need a super mosque, there's already two (Narre Warren & Doveton) that I know of. You don't see churches being built to accommodate Christians everywhere they pop up. Enough with accommodating these people and there believes at the expense of all your other citizens.
I strongly object to the building of a Mosque in a rural setting, if it were a Cathedral or a Temple I would also object as it would not enhance the feel and beauty of the Green wedge area. The traffic in the area is fast and dangerous and the proposed site is on a single lane, on a bend and close to an intersection, primary school and proposed high school. I have lived in the area for 30 years and was hoping to sell my property for my retirement but the value will drop immensely. My other concern is for my wife that is stressed and suffering from anxiety and not sleeping due to the threat it poses already with attacks on the banner and the lighting of a fire, this is a threat to all the community !
I strongly object to an additional Mosque being built in this area.
The traffic in that area already busy enough for us. With new building of Mosques, it will make it worse.
Secondly, I strongly concerned about the safety issue in this area with Mosques built.
This will affect the price of property and other issues.
If the new Mosques building permit approved, we will be moving away from the City of Casey if this were to go ahead.
So please consider the residents whom have been in the area for decades and reject this approval for a Mosque.
I object to a mosque traffic and dangerous behavior will come out of this and why does 2% of Australia's population need a super mosque, there's already two (Narre Warren & Doveton) that I know of. You don't see churches being built to accommodate Christians everywhere they pop up. Enough with accommodating these people and there believes at the expense of all your other citizens.
I object to the Mosque been built 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Rd Narre Warren North Vic 3804. Application no PinA00679/14
I strongly object to the Mosque been built in a suburban area. It will increase the amount of traffic, as if it wasn't busy enough.
The safety is another concern as there is a nearby primary school and upcoming high school.
It will decrease the value of properties that people have worked hard for.
Please don't approve this application.
I object to the plan for a mosque. Having viewed the plan I find it blatantly sexist in design. Such discriminatory ideals should have no place in a free and open society which is Australia. The mosque will also impose itself on the otherwise semi rural residential locale.
The site is classified as residential and is within a Green Wedge Zone. The road infrastructure is insufficient already without adding further congestion. The Mosque should be built in a suburb that has the specific demographic that will use the facility.Not where the majority of the demographic will not use it and will only be greatly inconvenienced.
PLEASE don't let this Mosque go ahead, it's not right that they can build things like this in residential area's, I feel that the people who make these decisions are just to scared to say no to them JUST SAY NO - we do not need it or WANT it
We wish to "strongly object" to a Mosque being constructed and operated from a proposed site at 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road, Narre Warren North.
The building of such a large complex is in direct contradiction to the Casey Footshills Poicy which is designed to protect the overall ambience and that beautiful semi rural setting that people who have settled in the area and others who come to visit the area on a regular basis, have come to enjoy, especially that village experience.
As part of the plan by the those requesting a permit to build a large mosque and the setting up of a learning centre that will accomodate in excess of 900 students on any day. This will place tremendous pressure on the traffic on all roads in that area seven days a week, all hours of the day and night.
The Casey Council have already demonstrated their incompetence in allowing the building of a Mental Health facility on the corner of Memorial Drive and Narre Warren North where the facility does not have enough parking spots to accomodate people attending the facility.
People are allowed to just park along Memorial Drive which, is against any planning permit granted for public facilities. Therefore based on that decision, we could expect people attending the Mosque for the council to also allow people to park along either side of Narre Warren North road once the Mosque becomes operational.
The land in the area is also designated a "Green Wedge Zone". These zones are purposed by wise people with a vision to ensure Narre Warren North is aligned to the Dandenong Ranges environmental policies that are strictly enforced upon any residents wishing to construct any dwelling under that policy.
Those making any decision to allow such construction need to be very careful of the long term ramifications impaction the residents in Narre Warren North and surrounding areas.
i strongly object to development in the green wedge and see traffic already a major issue and can only see it getting worse
To the City of Casey Councillors, City of Casey Planning Manager
I write to you for the purpose of objection to the planning approval PLNA00679/14.
The proposed Melbourne Masjid Project is not intended to service the local Muslim population but that of South East Melbourne. The establishment of a large Mosque and future stages to include school, retail and residential will be an enclave that will have no integration or cohesion with the local community.
My objections are as follows:
1. The traffic impact of the 1500 plus worshippers and the 950 students attending this school. The impact on the local site Belgrave Hallam Road and the A'Beckett Rd intersection but also the feeder roads such as Narre Warren North Road and its intersections with Fox Road, Crawley Road, Memorial Drive and Belgrave Hallam Road.
2. The location is a high fire risk area and who will be responsible for managing a large gathering on a total fire ban day.
3. A large building of any type is inappropriate for a Green Wedge Zone, does not fit with the local landscape and the view of the foothills.
4. Majority of local residents are opposed with major concerns but as the constituents, do not consider their views are being represented by City of Casey Councillors and it's administration. The process used by City of Casey questions the transparency of its actions with no consultative approach or attempts to interact with it's constituents.
5. The future proposed stage of a population hub of 1500 people exclusive to people of a single faith is yet another religious entity that pays no earnings tax, no land tax, no capital gains tax, no FBT and no rates, the advantage of tax and rate free housing. A privilege that will be paid for by other tax and rate paying residents across the City of Casey.
6. The act of building a huge facility exclusive to a single faith is making a statement of strength and would be seen as a colonisation of a small community that will be excluded from the facility and will become the defining feature of the suburb.
The City of Casey has the opportunity to assist the local community members of Islamic faith to meet their prayer needs by encouraging smaller, local facilities that avoids major impact on communities.
I submit this with no conflict of faith or political persuasion.
Branko , I strongly object to the application pin A00679/14
Traffic in Belgrave -Hallam road will be drastically affected by this Mosque proposed developement and this road is already very congested . I also believe that this is a green wedge zone and this sort of developement is not suitable for this area .
I wish to object to the proposal for a new mosque and school at 365 – 367 Belgrave – Hallam Road, Narre Warren North. My reasons are:
1: The proposal will have a huge impact on the landscape’s appearance. No details of the school building’s or analysis of their visual impact are given, but a school that would cater for up to 950 students is far too intensive and would include a lot more buildings than just the mosque. The amount of buildings for a school of this size (including a big gymnasium), along with the mosque and associated parking, is in direct conflict with the aim of retaining open space and scenic attributes as per Casey’s Foothills policy.
2: As there are two other mosques within 6km, which more than cater for the local Narre Warren North Muslim population, there is no requirement for another mosque in this vicinity. Why should this locality lose its amenity for a requirement arising from outside the area?
3: Traffic is horrendous along this road, as lots of people go to Lysterfield Lake and it's the most used road to go up to the Hills, a Mosque and a school would cause further traffic flow problems and congestion.
4: This will segregate the community even more.
Please consider carefully and listen to everyone's concerns.
I have copied this letter as it reflects my views. I hereby wish to strongly object to permit application Pin A0067 9/14 and proposal for a mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North.
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone and is not equipped for large groups of people. The land at 365-367 Hallam Belgrave Rd, Narre Warren North is rural and located within a green wedge.
The dwellings proposed in this permit application will destroy the aesthetics and tranquility of the current rural environment. An Environmental Impact Assessment does not appear to have been conducted. I question what will happen to any native wildlife inhabiting this land and what impact this development will have on their survival. I believe this development will serve as a deterrent to the current City of Casey residents and any new residents planning to move to the area.
Several years ago I attended a Christmas Carol evening at Greencross Vets next door to the proposed development. Approximately 1000 people were in attendance. Police were on site to control traffic at the conclusion of the evening to ensure traffic accidents were avoided. I assume these resources will not be available during school drop-off, pick-up and prayer times. As such I think that the volume of traffic during these times will be catastrophic to the already congested Belgrave Hallam, Heatherton and Narre Warren North Rds. I believe the Traffic Impact Assessment Report does not reflect the accidents that will occur if this development proceeds. The current road system cannot support the traffic from this development as well as the additional traffic from the approved Harkaway Hills College which will be located directly across the road. Consideration must also be taken for the summer fire restriction months. Belgrave Hallam Rd is a major evacuation route for the Dandenong Ranges.
The current population of Islamic faith in the Narre Warren North is well represented with the Islamic Education and Welfare Association of Dandenong at 133 Belgrave Hallam Rd. A second mosque less than 5 kilometres away is not necessary.
I object to the building or establishment of an additional mosque or any further places of worship in the Casey Shire.
They cause traffic congestion and inconvenience residents who have bought and settled on the understanding of a quiet and peaceful lifestyle.
This proposal to build a mosque, if approved, will only cause division, intolerance and community decent towards officials and council.
I have copied & edited another persons letter as it is exactly what I agree with and would write, the only thing I would add is that I am strongly opposed to any further developments of any community/religious groups. Developments of this size & nature are not suitable to Narre Warren North (refer reasons below).
Council, LISTEN to what the vast majority of our community is saying!
This proposed development would mean drastic negative changes for us locals of Narre Warren North, if recent experiences of the “Hallam Mosque” are anything to go by! This new proposed development has now also been labeled as the “LARGEST MOSQUE IN AUSTRALIA”, with anticipated patronage of 1500+ on 22 acres, over a few “stages” of development.
I live near the "Hallam Mosque" & have first hand experience as to the changes & problems directly attributed to it. Every neighbour I have ever spoken to about this is very, very frustrated and angry. Many complaints have been lodged with council over the last few years. The initial assurances given by Council, insisting there would be minimal impact in the surrounding neighbourhoods, have proved to be very FALSE and misleading in fact.
To all the NON Objectors posting on this site: STOP citing Australian law & discrimination, as if the “rights” of the muslim community override the rights of the majority of the people who already live there. I believe most of the mosque’s patrons are very likely to come from suburbs other than Narre Warren North - similar situation as to what has already been observed at the “Hallam Mosque”. Objectors objections are NOT worthless. It is the local people who are objecting & with good reason. People who live in this area have a right to free speech as well. PLEASE actually read people’s comments & UNDERSTAND that it is “you” who propose coming into this quiet suburb on “YOUR” terms. Respect & acknowledge that fact please!
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
A social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
A traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian School at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development underwraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and inline with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other events that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
Yours Sincerely
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I object to this development as i believe the roads and traffic in our area are already quite bad enough at the best of times. Also the proposed land area is in a Green wedge Zone.
This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties as well as destroy the beautiful scenery we have.
I object to this development as i believe the roads and traffic in our area are already quite bad enough at the best of times. Also the proposed land area is in a Green wedge Zone.
This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties as well as destroy the beautiful scenery we have.
I object to this development as i believe the roads and traffic in our area are already quite bad enough at the best of times. Also the proposed land area is in a Green wedge Zone.
This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties as well as destroy the beautiful scenery we have.
Another objection sent!
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
An independent social impact study should be conducted before the application be looked at or considered any further.
This should include and consider the community of Narre Warren North, the fabric of the community, events within the community, the nature of the community, the vibe of the community and how the addition of a mosque, an islamic school and an islamic community hub would impact the existing community and social structure. This would also have to take into account community events such as the Carols by Candle light that takes place annually in Bert Rae Reserve just across the road from the proposed islamic site for example.
An independent traffic impact study for Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Heatherton Road and A’Beckett Road would also need to be conducted for due diligence before any consideration is given to the application and the future plans for the site. This would have to look at and consider a dual carriage way for Belgrave-Hallam Road and Heatherton Road to handle the addition traffic. Traffic lights at the T-intersection of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road. Traffic is difficult enough now as it is plus the addition of a new Christian Scholl at the corner of A’Beckett Road and Belgrave-Hallam Road with plans for 1,000 students from prep to year 12 and this is on top of the existing school and students of Narre Warren North Primary School. Any improvements, upgrades and alterations required now and for the next decade would need to be paid for by the developers and the group directly involved and not by the community, the City of Casey nor the people of Victoria.
There would also need to be an independent impact study on existing infrastructure and the need for this to be improved, upgraded and expanded. This would include sewerage, drainage, water, gas, electricity, public transport and public amenities. With the addition of 700+ people for the mosque (Staff and patrons), the over 1,150+ (staff and students), then the community hub (500+) and finally the 1,500+ residents we end up with an increase of at least 3,700+ people in the immediate area, possibly more (more like 5,000+). This would be a major impact for the area, a real eye sore, it would not fit in with the area and would create extreme on all surrounding infrastructure and amenities.
With two schools already within a stone’s throw of the planned mosque and islamic school, why do we even need or want an additional school?
There are already two mosques 4-5 km either side of the planned mosque, why do we need another mosque here and why in an inappropriate area and community with a minimal muslim population at this time?
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe this application, its stages, its expansion, its requirements and its impact in the immediate area and surrounds will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study). I also understand that once this application is allowed even in part, it will over time forge ahead regardless of any local concerns, community concerns or concerns of the people slowly eroding the ambience, vibe and community of Narre Warren North leaving the Dandenong Foothills strategy in tatters.
Further to this is the question of the township of Narre Warren North issue. The Narre Warren Township is something that was supposed to be in place by now, that the Local Victorian MP Luke Donnellon informs me the City of Casey received sufficient funding for and which for reasons unknown the City of Casey has delayed or shelved. The use of the 22 acre site fails in terms of the green wedge of rural land, the Dandenong Foothills Strategy and the pending Narre Warren North Township.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no one informed the locals of the proposal, it was kept under wraps and has been inappropriately acted on since the purchase of land in August 2013. The planning on this proposal is well advanced and has at least 4 stages of development that I am now aware with the plan to expand at each stage to result in mosque for 500 plus, an islamic school for 950 plus students, residences for muslims and a community hub that appears to include islamic centre, shops, businesses and even an agricultural area. Information I have seen conservatively states over 1,500 people living on site. This furthers the question of underhandedness, stealth and keeping the project, planning and final development under wraps and concerns me greatly.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity. This creates the question of buses, bus parking and car parking on the site and that it will be sufficient and in line with all stages of development and expansion. As there will be further development and expansion on the site once the first stage is approved.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners’ properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road). Based on the census report in 2011 the population of all Narre Warren was 25,882 and supposedly islam accounted for 5.6% of the population or less than 1,500 people. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house over 270 people at a time, has 5 prayers times per day and there are other mosques in surrounding areas such as Doveton.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic before and after these prayer times plus there is the school traffic to consider on top of other vents that will take place on the site.
The Hallam, Narre Warren North, mosque can houses over 385 people as can be seen in a recent application to increase the number rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 500 plus and a staff of 135 (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).Application Reference No. PINA00679/14.
A mosque is more than just a place of worship and this proposed application is for a development of much more than just a mosque. The application cuts across the Dandenong Foothills Strategy, the Narre Warren North Township, the green wedge, as well as being an area of segregation, gender bias and possible vilification that not only goes against the community but also against state laws.
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North plus all future applications, proposals and expansions due to the concerns and required studies, research and reports required to fully consider the impact, damage and major works this project and site will require and create.
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Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
I hereby wish to OBJECT to the Permit application and proposal for a Mosque and Islamic School in Narre Warren North Due to the following:
Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not suitable or equipped for high Masses of people. The land is rural and not suitable for a mosque or residential precinct.
I believe it will destroy and go against the beautiful landscape and the Foothills of the Dandenongs (Foothills Landscape Study)
Traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already banked up especially in the mornings and afternoons. Both Wellington and Heatherton Roads.
There is already a school planned over the road on the corner of Abeckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. Existing is the Narre Warren North primary School. Why do we need another school that we do not have the infrastructure and roads to cope with this traffic.
There is no transparency regarding this application, no on informed the locals of the proposal, which has been going on since 2013 when the land was purchased. It has all been kept very secretly, and I found out about this only two days ago.
There already is well over patronage and parking issues at Lysterfield Lake which is in the same vicinity.
The proposed land area is in an already in a Green wedge Zone.
Creating Muslim Hub in Narre Warren North will create a drastic change in the area and I believe will compromise the already beautiful environment surrounding us. This will also devalue the area and the local homeowners properties.
The Population of Islamic Faith in the area is minimal and in fact a Minority so I’m not sure why the need for another Mosque as there already has one not 5KM away in Narre Warren North (135-137 Belgrave Hallam Road. Based on the census report in 2011, of 25,882 population in Narre Warren, 5.6% were from Islam. The current Mosque called “Hallam Mosque”, which is also in Narre Warren North, can house up to 270 people.
The prayer timetable for the Hallam Mosque is 5 prayers per day, the first beginning at sunrise, and the last at approx. 10.50pm. I have concerns with the noise and traffic.
The Hallam mosque houses 270 people, and a recent application to increase the number to 385 was rejected by council. It is reported that the numbers at the mosque were already significantly higher than the approved 270. This is my concern that the traffic is already a problem at the Hallam Mosque, and the new proposed site is for 470 plus 135 staff (that is provided that the numbers do not go higher than this).
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
As a neighborhood resident I STRONGLY OBJECT to the proposed mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
SOME of the reasons that I object are as follows:
1/- We built in Narre Warren 13 years ago as it was a beautiful location where we would not be surrounded by religious fanatics. The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Over the years Narre Warren and surrounding suburbs has progressively changed and it is already hosting more than it's fair share of Religious establishments.
If this permit is allowed to proceed, this would be allowing 1 religious denomination to dominate Narre Warren and result in people of other religious denominations and non-religious people not wanting to live in the area.
Enough is enough. We do NOT want Narre Warren to be turned into the biggest Muslim hub!! If the council allows this to proceed, it raises the question of why ?? Is greed the motivation ??? Local residents should have been advised of this long ago and not just find out about this plan at the last minute. Something as major as this should have seen council sending out communications to ALL residents in the surrounding area. Why has this been kept so quiet ???
2/- The huge traffic issues for cars trying to turn into adjacent streets (Brundrett Rd, Crawley Rd, Memorial Dr) at peak hour which is already a very frustrating experience. Belgrave Hallam rd, leading to the proposed development is only a single lane each way. This will be traffic nightmare.
3/- This is a Residential area, DO NOT TURN IT INTO A RELIGIOUS HUB. This would drastically alter the population of Narre Warren and change it from a multi-ethnic community to a Muslim community. Narre Warren should should remain multicultural not a Muslim centre. There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an example. If that is not sufficient, then obviously Narre Warren is already on the way to becoming a Muslim city and this growth should not be able to continue. If the Muslim followers are not happy with this, they can always move to an area that is more sparsely populated with Muslims and then they won't have the overcrowding issues they are complaining about. No Muslim mosques have been removed from the area, in fact the number has increased over the years, so they have no right to complain. If they don't like it, don't move to the area and then complain that you want it to change!
4/- Narre Warren North is perhaps the most scenic and beautiful in this suburb. If this project goes ahead this nature will change forever. Please keep it that way it is for future generations.
5/- The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Are council willing to reduce everyone's rates in accordance with the massive devaluing of residential properties as a result of this going ahead ??? Surely this would give everyone who has objected the right to sue for losses that would be realised as a direct result of this planning permit going ahead.
6/- Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not equipped to deal with high numbers of people or traffic. The land is semi rural and not suitable for a mosque. The proposed land area is in a 'Green wedge' Zone.
I believe it will stand out and destroy the beautiful landscape of the area.
7/- The peak traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already more than enough that the single lane roads can support. Adding the extra proposed traffic will overload the roads leading to the potential for severe accidents.
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8/- There is already a school planned across the road on the corner of A'beckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. as well as the current existing Narre Warren North primary School. And this is all planned right on top of one of the areas most beautiful places "Lysterfield Lake'. This new school will be adding to already strained traffic management, how on earth could the area cope the the influx of traffic if the permit is allowed to proceed ???
9/-I believe it will go against the Green Wedge Zoning of the area.The existing semi rural setting is a major reason for people moving to this area. Under the Casey Planning Scheme Cl.22 the Casey foothills requires visual qualities that will contribute to a positive image of the municipality as a desired place to live.
There are already 2 other Mosques within 6 km of the proposed site. They both have issues with illegal parking causing road safety concerns. Traffic in the surrounding area is already congested, especially on Heatherton and Wellington Roads in the mornings and afternoons. With the inclusion of a school there will undoubtedly be traffic chaos when young children are being dropped off and picked up. Adding a large (the largest) mosque to the area will make the roads more dangerous and post a serious risk to the children attending the new school.
The list could continue, but I'm sure that you get the gist of it. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO PRECEDE
Application Reference no. PINA00679/14
As a neighborhood resident I STRONGLY OBJECT to the proposed mosque at 365-367 Belgrave-Hallam Road.
SOME of the reasons that I object are as follows:
1/- We built in Narre Warren 13 years ago as it was a beautiful location where we would not be surrounded by religious fanatics. The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Over the years Narre Warren and surrounding suburbs has progressively changed and it is already hosting more than it's fair share of Religious establishments.
If this permit is allowed to proceed, this would be allowing 1 religious denomination to dominate Narre Warren and result in people of other religious denominations and non-religious people not wanting to live in the area.
Enough is enough. We do NOT want Narre Warren to be turned into the biggest Muslim hub!! If the council allows this to proceed, it raises the question of why ?? Is greed the motivation ??? Local residents should have been advised of this long ago and not just find out about this plan at the last minute. Something as major as this should have seen council sending out communications to ALL residents in the surrounding area. Why has this been kept so quiet ???
2/- The huge traffic issues for cars trying to turn into adjacent streets (Brundrett Rd, Crawley Rd, Memorial Dr) at peak hour which is already a very frustrating experience. Belgrave Hallam rd, leading to the proposed development is only a single lane each way. This will be traffic nightmare.
3/- This is a Residential area, DO NOT TURN IT INTO A RELIGIOUS HUB. This would drastically alter the population of Narre Warren and change it from a multi-ethnic community to a Muslim community. Narre Warren should should remain multicultural not a Muslim centre. There is no shortage of mosques nearby (Hallam Mosque, 131-137 Belgrave Hallam Rd; Wellington Rd Mosque, Lysterfield; Dalgety St Mosque, Dandenong ; Emir Sultan Mosque, Dandenong) as an example. If that is not sufficient, then obviously Narre Warren is already on the way to becoming a Muslim city and this growth should not be able to continue. If the Muslim followers are not happy with this, they can always move to an area that is more sparsely populated with Muslims and then they won't have the overcrowding issues they are complaining about. No Muslim mosques have been removed from the area, in fact the number has increased over the years, so they have no right to complain. If they don't like it, don't move to the area and then complain that you want it to change!
4/- Narre Warren North is perhaps the most scenic and beautiful in this suburb. If this project goes ahead this nature will change forever. Please keep it that way it is for future generations.
5/- The value of properties in the entire neighborhood will be completely destroyed. Instead of beautiful open green area we'll have a massive development that is totally out of tune with the character of the area. Are council willing to reduce everyone's rates in accordance with the massive devaluing of residential properties as a result of this going ahead ??? Surely this would give everyone who has objected the right to sue for losses that would be realised as a direct result of this planning permit going ahead.
6/- Narre Warren North is a Low Residential Zone, not equipped to deal with high numbers of people or traffic. The land is semi rural and not suitable for a mosque. The proposed land area is in a 'Green wedge' Zone.
I believe it will stand out and destroy the beautiful landscape of the area.
7/- The peak traffic in the area and surrounding areas is already more than enough that the single lane roads can support. Adding the extra proposed traffic will overload the roads leading to the potential for severe accidents.
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8/- There is already a school planned across the road on the corner of A'beckett Rd and Belgrave Hallam Road for about 1,000 students from years prep to 12. as well as the current existing Narre Warren North primary School. And this is all planned right on top of one of the areas most beautiful places "Lysterfield Lake'. This new school will be adding to already strained traffic management, how on earth could the area cope the the influx of traffic if the permit is allowed to proceed ???
9/-I believe it will go against the Green Wedge Zoning of the area.The existing semi rural setting is a major reason for people moving to this area. Under the Casey Planning Scheme Cl.22 the Casey foothills requires visual qualities that will contribute to a positive image of the municipality as a desired place to live.
There are already 2 other Mosques within 6 km of the proposed site. They both have issues with illegal parking causing road safety concerns. Traffic in the surrounding area is already congested, especially on Heatherton and Wellington Roads in the mornings and afternoons. With the inclusion of a school there will undoubtedly be traffic chaos when young children are being dropped off and picked up. Adding a large (the largest) mosque to the area will make the roads more dangerous and post a serious risk to the children attending the new school.
The list could continue, but I'm sure that you get the gist of it. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO PRECEDE
I totally object to another mosque being built in the area. I did not move to Narre Warren to have it taken over by mosques. Not only is there enough places to worship for the current population but we do not need muslims moving to the area to worship here. Road congestion is another reason. Changing the demographics is another. We moved here for the rural environment and do not want this to change. We paid a lot more to live here in this rural environment. This can only reduce the value of our property.
I object to the planned mosque . This is the foothill and should not be subject to urban development . Please keep Narre Warren North rural and green .
I object to the construction of this venue. I do not think it will have a positive impact on the community of Casey. It will create congestion and disturb those living nearby. Tax dollars will also have to be spent to upgrade the infrastructure surrounding it.
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I strongly object to a mosque & school being built st 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road.
Living off Crawley Road the traffic in this area is already nightmare & too congested with many churches, schools & the new child care centre just opened.
The road is not equipped to take the extra traffic that this construction will bring to this area & where are all these people coming from?? Certainly not from Narre Warren North. If they are bring bused in let them build one closer to their homes so that our roads will not be unusable & make our day to day lives more of an issue than they already are.
I would welcome any councillor to come to the end of Crawley Road between 7-9am every morning & try and get out in the traffic.
We have been here for 17 years and came to the area because it was rural & quiet which it will not be if this is allowed to keep happening.
Greedy City of Casey wanting rates.
Are the people who will frequent the new establishment wanting to purchase our properties to be closer to the new construction ????
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We moved here 5 years ago due to the constant traffic/noise coming from the Dandenong area and now that we have finally found a quiet area to reside in we get the news that a new place of worship along with a school and shops will be opening down the road... I strongly object to this proposal and wish to keep this beautiful area the way it is! The people need a say in this!
object to a Mosque operating from 365-367 Belgrave Hallam Road :
Firstly the Mosque and Church at the other end if Belgrave Hallam road have caused and continue to cause traffic issues as when you turn right at lights into Belgrave Hallam Rd I have had cars exit out if their drives directly in front of traffic, also cars parked on both sides of road on nature strips and it is congested and a traffic hazard. I they don't seem to care about the other traffic.The same would occur for this new mosque which us situated directly down from intersection of Hilton Court and cause further noise, traffic congestion in a RESIDENTIAL area not COMMERCIAL! They alteady illegally tried to operate a mosque and gathering when they first bought the property and there was a stream of cars exiting the property on to Belgrave Hallam Rd until residents reported this activity to the Council and it was ceased as a mosque.
I strongly object to any activity other than the purpose of residential in our lovely rural area whereby the residents have invested in owning homes. A development like this would wreck at the very heart and soul of what the community most values about the Casey foothills. The traffic is bad enough we don't need any more. We don't need this mosque to wreck the little quiet town of Narre Warren North. This will also affect the sale of out properties as well.
I object to the building of another mosque in the city of Casey. There is one nearby already. The landscape will be tarnished, property values will decline and there is not enough infrastructure in place to accommodate the increased traffic that will be generated by the mosque. What about noise pollution? They call to prayer 5 times a day, are the nearby residents supposed to wear earplugs? Next time it will be a large mosque in Cranbourne and will object to that for the same reasons as above.
