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This area already has too many Ubers drivers servicing restaurant’s. Lyons road is very congested, this depot pick up location will only increase the congestion!
A Woolworth’s metro store with appropriate underground parking would make more sense and would be welcomed in this location.
I agree with Jeremy on his comments. I don’t understand the necessity for this facility to built in a small suburb in this community and it’s relevance for people that live here either. I am keen to understand how the council of Russell Lea are developing this area particularly on Lyons Road as the is a non sensical proposition/ idea to me and my neighbours.
Agree with previous comments.
Anything that generates more traffic or traffic congestion on Lyons Road Drummoyne is a really bad proposal.
Hope it isnt approved.
Great. We need a small supermarket we can walk to with the same prices as the big supermarkets. It will keep cars off Lyons Road.
This proposal for a Woolworths metro is a much needed facility for the area. There is no supermarket in the immediate surrounds of Russell Lea. It would improve access immensely to a supermarket without the need for getting into a vehicle. I am in full support of this DA. It's impact on traffic flow I believe would not be significant given that it's a smaller version of the standard Woolworths store.
My understanding of reading the plans that it is not a walk in supermarket. Woolworths metro 60 is an app where you order on online and specify your designated pick up facility ie a warehouse and for the 60 cars are those that have ordered online are then designated a pick up time to control the traffic management .
It would be great for a mini supermarket to compete with IGA of Drummoyne and Warremba but I’m not sure if that’s the case . Could you let me know if we are receiving a walk in mini supermarket on lyons road as that may change my opinion . Thank you
Also I Haven’t seen the notification posted on the potential warehouse site which allows members of the public to view the plans ( outside of this forum ) I may have missed it but can CBC confirm when that was or when it will publicly advertised on the fence outside of the property and the duration of the notice .Thank you again
This needs to be a proper walk in small supermarket to benefit local residents- it’s unclear if that’s what’s proposed. The large gum tree on the site is one of the few mature eucalypts near Lyons road and must be preserved. The verge at the front also needs to have the concrete pulled up and large trees and shrubs planted to avoid entrenching the urban-heat-island problem that besets Lyons road- it’s unwalkable and a very hostile environment on hot summer days, especially for children and the elderly.
As a local resident and ratepayer close to this site, I would be in favour of a walk in supermarket with underground parking. However if it is just intended as a drive through facility that would encourage people to drive via this area on their way to /from work etc I would be against this proposal as it would only add to the traffic congestion already experienced in this area with little benefit to nearby residents/ratepayers.
We do not need or want this proposal. There is already enough congestion along Lyons Road now without adding a Woolworths collection facility to add to it. This is of no benefit to the local community. A small Woolworths Metro supermarket would be of greater use by the locals.
This isn’t an actual supermarket. That would make sense.its a proposal for a distribution hub .so more cars out of area picking up groceries which could be delivered directly by Woolies anyway.Trucks, lorries, more cars , it’s a mini warehouse. Illogical and in no way benefits local shoppers or adds to retail diversity .Yes to a competitively priced local supermarket, NO to this proposal .
I’m a local resident and would recommend a metro supermarket with as much parking spots as possible (ie excavation). I am opposed to the ‘boot pick up’ / distribution aspects of this proposal. The impact of this on an already congested section of Lyons Rd would be intolerable to local residents, and the already impeded traffic flow on Lyons Rd between Barry St and Hampton Rd
It is noted that the transport study in support of the application was dated September 2022. This is before the Rozelle interchange opened.
It is also noted that the recent parliamentary enquiry into the difficulties the Rozelle interchange created for both local and state roads in Drummoyne. In particular, the comments made by Mayor Michael Megna and Local Member for Drummoyne Stephanie Di Pasqua MP 's are taken into account upon making an assessment on behalf of our community.
The following comments are also made:
1. The transport study prepared by JMT Consulting is updated to: (a) take into account revised current traffic flows and journey times the traffic issues that plague Lyons road and surrounding streets in this area; (b) satisfy council that the local road systems including Bowman, Janel, Mary, Millar, Polding, Plunket and Gipps street will not be further impacted as a result of this proposal; and (c) takes into account the additional parking pressures put on local streets resulting from Frango's (corner Lyons Road and Barney Street) and the Scalabrini Village (who appear to discourage visitors from using their underground visitor parking).
2. The proposal places a heavy load on the intersection of Barney and Lyons Road. utilisation of the site in this way will congest that intersection at peak times and when the local businesses (Frango's etc) are operating at their peak operating times.
3. The proposed access/egress arrangements from Barney Street are complicated and offers a high degree of potential for vehicle/vehicle and vehicle/pedestrian/cyclist accidents. How will council condition any approval to alleviate these risks?
Council considers the introduction of a no right hand turn from Barney Street to Lyons Road and from Lyons Road into Barney Street.
3. JMT's report (section 3.3) relies upon Woolworths on estimate of site utilisation (800-100) vehicles per day. JMT's report makes no attempt to verify the estimates. Council must assure community those estimates are both factual and reliable.
4. Section 4.2 of JMT's report predicts approach routes. All these approaches are narrow and congested. They all have cars parked along them for most of every single day. Placing more non-residential demand on these narrow roads, on top of the congested Rozelle Interchange induced rat runs is an unfair burden to place on local residents.
5. JMT's reliance on an "...excellent connectivity to the surrounding public transport
network, including bus stops on Lyons Road which is located approximately
50m from the site which provide access to a range of local and regional bus
services" is an irrelevant statement for a development application that is 100% reliant private vehicles. The statement should be struck from the report.
6. The traffic management system of heavy vehicles entering the site from Lyons Road is not detailed. There has been no attempt to address the conflicts generated by the intensified use of the Lyons Road/Barney Street intersection. Further, left unaddressed, this will push further local traffic demand onto the dangerous intersection of Millar Street and Lyons Road. The proposal must address the further impacts this development will place on this intersection.
7. The JMT comment that "the proposal would generate 760 fewer traffic movements per day compared to when the site operated as a Caltex service station" cannot be relied upon as the JMT report accepts Woolworths own estimate of traffic flows/demand. Further, the report also fails to address the traffic flows in the local streets that exited for Caltex. Without Furter modelling it is entirely within reason to forecast that local street will carry far mor traffic loads from the proposed use of the site than the Caltex service station would have generate.
I hope that council will be able to take these comments into its account on the assessment of this development application.
Pasquale (Lino) Caccavo
A well considered and noted response to key issues that address Woolworths selling points in their planning application.
I don't see or believe this development creates or delivers any "must have/nice to have" service to the immediate community. I base my opinion on the limitation of a service and stock available to walk up "local customers" , particularly the elderly or children.
What I do see is a Woolworths benefit that greatly improves their existing home delivery vehicles pickup away from stores that are predominately setup to receive stock and service walk in customers. I predict light commercial vehicle traffic will dominate the comings and goings at the site and the planning application should be addressed as a "Distribution Centre" in an E1 planning zone. An E1 zoning is intended for local neighbourhood sevices. Hmm
This is a bad proposal of no benefit to the local community and out of keeping with existing surrounding usage. The previous service station served the local community and those who were passing on Lyons Road for fuel and as a convenience store.
The Woolworths proposal will bring more traffic and congestion from outside the area to an already overly busy section of road.
The proposed entry and exit points on the corner of Barney Street are likely to cause problems to other traffic and pedestrians, and of course the residents of Barney and adjacent streets. I doubt that pick up drivers will all follow the neatly laid our entry and exist routes proposed. I also don’t see how the developers would deal with the change of levels from the road to the site at that point.
Woolworths staff are another potential issue - where will they park? There is no provision or room for staff parking on site and expecting that all staff, for ever more, will catch public transport is not tenable. They will park in local streets which are already crowded with the cars of staff and patrons of local eateries and visitors to Scalabrini Village, and of course, local residents. Roads such as Hampden Road near Lyons Road already attract the cars of commuters from further away who drive there to catch city buses.
In summary, as a local resident I consider it an inappropriate development out of keeping with surrounding usage, not just of no benefit to the local community but a significant negative to that community
