21 Burdekin Road Quakers Hill NSW 2763

Description
4 lot Torrens Title residential Subdivision including Demolition of Existing Structures, Tree removal, Storm water Drainage and Associated Site Works.
Planning Authority
Blacktown City Council
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Reference number
DA-21-01660
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We found this application on the planning authority's website on , over 3 years ago. It was received by them earlier.
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Currently 21 Burdekin Road, Quakers Hills has no road access or driveway to Kate Place. As the address indicates, the site is accessible by Cars from Burdekin Road. On Kate place, the site has small back gateway in a roundabout in Kate place that does not have driveway, just a kerb with Moan growing on it. It can be only accessed by foot.

The application submitted, will close the site access from Burdekin Road and instead create a drive way in Kate place. This would have been reasonable and accepted if the plan was to develop one or two houses. However, as the plan suggests, the developer plans to build 4 houses in the land site. While the land site is large 2000Msq, the suggested drive way in Kate place is narrow compared to 4 houses requirements. The current entrance from Burdekin Road will be more adequate for 4 houses. This then lead to the question, why the developer choose the narrow entrance rather the adequate on Burdekin road one? Looking at the development plan will easily reveal the cause: the suggested houses does not have any parking place inside. This means that if the future house owners have two cars, they will not be able to park inside the houses compound. They must park in the street. The same applies if they have visitors (and all houses will have visitors for sure not to mention 4 houses), the visitors will need to park at the street. Since they can’t park in Burdekin Road, the only alternative is to use Kate place as parking space for the suggested houses. Typically such house compound (villas plan) has visitors parking spaces allocated inside which this development plan lacks.

Now, why can’t Kate place be used as parking place? After all, people can park in the public streets. The development site back entry on Kate place is on small roundabout full of driveways for houses. If someone parks there, they will block the houses driveways. If they try to park further down the street, other problems will arise. Kate place is very narrow that it can hardly fit two cars side by side. If people park in Kate place itself, Traffic in and out of the street will have choking points and will be impacted. The street also is short to accommodate parking for 4 the houses guests with potential many driveways will be blocked or impacted. If the cars parks on both sides of the road near each other, it will be very difficult to impossible to get out of the driveway.

This is on the top of adding 4 houses traffic and noise to such small narrow street.

Moreover, once construction starts, they will need to block the access from Burdekin Road and create driveway in Kate Place, this means all the construction material, equipment, builders cars will have to use the narrow street to make construction and park in it make life difficult for residents.
 
I would have no problem this application if the access to site was maintained to be from Burdekin Road as the current situation or in worst case scenario if the developer provided enough parking for visitors (4-6 Slots) in the development site. Having said that, creating Villas in compounds is not the building style of Quakers Hill which has houses owned by families with proper garage and drive ways. Each family in Kate Place, has double garage and driveway that can accomodate additional two-three cars for guests. As such, the street currently can accomodate traffic for residents without chocking

Now to application merits:
1) The plan suggested using 8 Bins for the 4 houses however, it does not detail where these bins will be placed on Collection day. The development site interface on Kate street will be used as driveway. Any non used space will not be sufficient to accomodate 8 bins. This means that either the bins will be put in driveway, blocking traffic in and out of development site houses which is not practical given that Organic waste collection happens at noon, or they will be placed on street or in front of neighbours properties.

2) Blacktown Battle Axed Shape Allotments called for Corridor width to be minimum 3.5 Meter and Minimum width of shared access corridor 5m, however, the digram shown in the plans document has the corridor width as 3 meter.

3) I failed to see in the application any reference to the work required to establish drive way in Kate Place, or what is the suggested driveway depth.

I understand that this demolition application not development but it has sublet information as part of it including lot allocation and as such, all factors need to be considered b4 hand.

Ashraf NourEldin
Delivered to Blacktown City Council

The height, scale, massing of the structures that will inevitably be contemplated for this subdivision will dominate the surrounds and respond negatively to the surrounding context.

The intensity of use and visual bulk of four or more future dwellings upon this site will dominate the surrounds and respond negatively to the surrounding context.

Insufficient information has been provided regarding potential risks subsequent to the subdivision if approved such as acoustic, light, vegetation loss, biodiversity loss, overland water flows, overlooking and overshadowing impacts of any subsequent dwelling use contemplated.

The site and context together with access for residents, visitors and emergency vehicles will adversely impact upon the surrounds.

The proposal responds negatively to the topography of the site and surrounds.

Insufficient information has been provided to address future permeability and management of overland water flows and avoiding the inundation of surrounding sites and the public realm.

The proposal is contrary to the Blacktown Local Environmental Plan and the City of Blacktown Development Control Plan.

On balance, the proposal represents an inappropriate planning outcome and should be refused.

The proposal represents an overdevelopment of the site.

Shauna-Marie Wilson
Delivered to Blacktown City Council

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have reviewed the resubmitted plans for 21 Burdekin Road DA-21-01660 and I failed to see any meaningful changes. Aside from combining the 4 subdivided driveways (one for reach subdivision) into on shared common driveway and some cosmetic modification to one of the Subdivision, nothing has changed. None of the previous concerns have been addressed. In fact, it is worse as the developer clearly in his plans now places the waste bins for 3 subdivisions on the public kerb in the front of the neighbour property!!

Let me reiterate my concerns again:

Currently 21 Burdekin Road, Quakers Hills has no road access or driveway to Kate Place. As the address indicates, the site is accessible by Cars from Burdekin Road. On Kate place, the site has small back gateway in a roundabout in Kate place that does not have driveway, just a kerb with Moan growing on it. It can be only accessed by foot.

1- The application submitted, will close the site access from Burdekin Road and instead create a driveway in Kate place. This would have been reasonable and accepted if the plan was to develop one or two houses. However, as the plan suggests, the developer plans to build 4 houses in the land site. Looking at the development plan the suggested houses does not have any parking place inside. This means that if the future house owners have two cars, they will not be able to park inside the houses compound. They must park in the street. The same applies if they have vistiors, the visitors will need to park at the street. Since they can’t park in Burdekin Road, the only alternative is to use Kate place as parking space for the suggested houses. Typically such housing compound will have visitors parking spaces allocated inside which this development plan lacks.
2- Kate place be used as parking place. The development site back entry on Kate place is on small court that is full of driveways for houses. If someone parks there, they will block the houses driveways. If they try to park further down the street, other problems will arise. Kate place is very narrow that it can hardly fit two cars side by side. If people park in Kate place itself, Traffic in and out of the street will have choking points and will be impacted. The street also is short to accommodate parking for 4 the houses guests with potential many driveways will be blocked or impacted. If the cars parks on both sides of the road near each other, it will be very difficult to impossible to get out of the driveway.
3- There will significant additional noise and traffic by adding 4 houses traffic and noise to such small narrow street. Dobuling trafiic capacity to around 150% based on number of houses in street.
4- Once construction starts, they will need to block the access from Burdekin Road and create driveway in Kate Place, this means all the construction material, equipment, builders’ cars will have to use the narrow street to make construction and park in it make life difficult for residents.
5- The suggested development does not match style of Quakers Hill which has houses owned by families with proper garage and driveways. Each family in Kate Place, has double garage and driveway that can accommodate additional two-three cars for guests. As such, the street currently can accommodate traffic for residents without chocking
6- The plan suggested using 8 Bins for the 4 houses. The development site interface on Kate Street will be used as driveway. Any non-used space will not be sufficient to accommodate 8 bins. This means that either the bins will be put in driveway, blocking traffic in and out of development site houses which is not practical given that Organic waste collection happens at noon, or they will be placed on street or in front of neighbour’s properties as the current plan suggest!!
7- Even with shared common driveway for the 4 houses, the drive does not have a roundabout or turning point. Meaning cars inside will have to reverse to get out which is risky and can create safety issues in case of fire and emergency.
8- Aside from the DA-21-01660 has serious implications on traffic, noise, and welfare of Kate place residents, it is also a precedent. There is another house in the street with the same conditions as the 21 Burdekin Road, Quakers Hill, NSW, 2763 (Big land space, main access from Burdekin Road and very small back front on Kate place that does not have driveway). Another developer or may even be Bathla can offer the house owner ridiculous amount of money and then build another 4 houses and convert little cul-de-sac Kate place to a slum (after all they offered 21 Burdekin Road, Quakers Hill, NSW, 2763 2.2 million for a house with best market valuation at the time of 1.6 million because they planned to overdevelop it).
I would propose the following:
1. Any demolition and/or future building access will be through the Burdekin Road entrance until all construction has finished.
2. The land at 21 Burdekin Road will only be subdivided into 2 in keeping with the BCC rules.
3. The subdivision will have an ample onsite turning circle for bin placement and collection which will otherwise, literally be impossible.
4. The site will have visitor parking for each residence because there is no room for extra cars on Kate Place.
5. Every house on Kate Place has a double garage, in keeping with this standard, each dwelling must include a double garage.
6. In total, the subdivision will include parking for 2 cars per main bedroom (in the double garage) and 1 designated parking spot for each bedroom or potential bedroom after that, plus on-site visitor parking for each house.

Ashraf NourEldin
Delivered to Blacktown City Council

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