30 Ashgrove Ave Ashgrove QLD 4060

I live in Lindsay Street Ashgrove (two streets away from the proposed development) and I am very concerned at the increase in vehicle traffic this development will cause. As it is, Ashgrove Avenue is heavily congested particularly at peak times at the Waterworks Road end. Cars can be seen banked up past Kinnaird Street trying to get to Waterworks Road. I walk regularly in this area and the left hand turn from Ashgrove Avenue into Holmsbrook Street that cars make is already very dangerous. Drivers rarely look to see if anyone is trying to cross this street as they race around the corner. Again this will only get worse with the increase in vehicle traffic to access the proposed new development.

We're in Globe Street two blocks away from proposed site. Globe Street, like a few other streets around here already have a street parking issue due to the high volume of residents and hence traffic is already busy.

I have resided in this local area for some years and personally had a few near misses with impatient drivers on the corner of the proposed site. It has become an intersection of danger over recent years with motorists taking impatient risks with their own lives as well as the lives of others. Depending on the time of day any driver has to have more than their wits about them to use this intersection.

Depending on which way the wind is blowing I have for some time now had the unfortunate experience of traffic fumes blow through my home.

My mind boggles at the thought of the complex safety issues for our community - both pedestrians and drivers regarding the on site construction of this proposed business PLUS the increase in traffic volume resulting in an extremely hazardous intersection. It seems to me a serious accident could be waiting to happen.

Is there a need for another child care business in our immediate area.....? There is currently one just up the road from this intersection and as I understand it another day care has been approved by BCC at Highpoint Plaza in Ashgrove. A commercial building built for such purposes where noise, traffic fumes and traffic volume are of less a concern.

This proposal will further increase the amount of traffic in the area around peak times. A large childcare centre has only just opened on Ashgrove Avenue (a block or 2 away) and another is to be built at Highpoint Plaza. Please consider that this is a residential area not suitable for such a large (3rd!) childcare centre.

Is the Church Heritage? If not why not? We live in Ashgrove Avenue and this will only increase the already heavily trafficed street. We already have one Child Care in the Avenue, this is only one block away!!! Another in Tweed Street, another in Wessex lane. How many other Child Cares already in this are? Another approved for High Point. Already 12 in Ashgrove. Not warranted

Not sure why anyone thinks we need another daycare, especially a 3-story one when there are at least 5 in less than 5 minutes driving distance from here. There is one actually on Ashgrove avenue so this development makes no sense what-so-ever. This is not needed at all.

We live near Woolworths and already struggle to park our own cars on the street due to Woolworths/bus stop/medical centres near Ashgrove. Our concern is that the daycare will put more pressure on traffic congestion and parking on already busy areas. We don’t see any need for another daycare centre in Ashgrove, with one less than a 2 minute walk away from the proposal. Please consider keeping the beautiful church or creating a space that is beneficial to the local community, instead of another money-making childcare scheme that has such a serious impact on the local community.

This development will increase the already high vehicle traffic and bring further pedestrian traffic into the area at peak times. The proposed site is not suitable for a childcare facility as it will bring vehicle and pedestrian traffic congestion, thereby degrading the public safety in the area

I live in Bott St Ashgrove where there is a lot of rat running to get to and from the city. This development will increase the amount of traffic at the Ashgrove end of Ashgrove Avenue which is already regularly congested. Vehicle street parking, related to more unit developments and multi-vehicle households, coupled with vehicles turning at the intersection of Ashgrove Av & Holmsbrook street results in traffic stalled and bottlenecks in the area. There is already a child care centre at the Cnr Kinnaird St & Ashgrove Ave with plans for others. Why do we need another one in this area? If one is necessary, look for another area away from areas that are already congested. Perhaps a more suitable alternative is to look in the area around the Ashgrove Bowls Club.

I'm against the proposed development of a childcare centre on this site for the following reasons:

- This development will increase the car and pedestrain traffic on this residential street (access via Devoy St) on a narrow corner.

- The plans suggest the noise created (by over 130 children) and car fumes (from 41 cars, plus passing traffic), to this reasonably quiet character street will be contained by a thin line of trees. I don't think so.

- There is a daycare only 1 block away recently constructed, and I was advised another daycare has already been approved to be built at highpoint Plaza in Ashgrove.

- Loss of church, which is one of the few examples of this style of architecture in Brisbane. I don't think it is heritage, but perhaps should be recognised as such.

- The existing site currently contains significant open space and large trees, which will be lost by the proposed development. Open space and trees are one of the most valuable assets a city has, and need to be protected in one form or another.

I live in the next street and foresee a number of problems with a child care development application bringing lots of additional traffic into that location. I am concerned about a number of impacts to an already busy area and highlight the following observations:

1. The traffic flow around Holmesbrook Street and Devoy St. Personally I find people struggle to see there is a stop sign on Devoy St exiting into Holmesbrook St. I would see an incident at least once every few months with cars not pulling up overstepping the traffic line into Holmesbrook St nearly taking me or others out as they drive down Holmesbrook St.

2. I see cars zooming down Ashgrove Av into Holmesbrook St at night hardly looking to see if there are people moving around. I wonder how many near misses there have been. And how many accidents there will be with extra traffic.

3. There is congestion on Holmesbrook St already in peak times with cars exiting onto Ashgrove Av with rat runners coming in via Maclean Parade and surrounds.

4. I have nearly been run over by a driver exiting the carpark of the Greenleaves Centre on Kinnaird Street when walking my dog. Mainly because of the way the carpark is set up. Any carpark approved on the centre must have safety as paramount for pedestrians - one way flow, no backing of cars out driveways. There are many school children walking to and from school in this area at the same time parents would be dropping off kids. They use Devoy St and Ashgrove Ave to get to their bus stops.

Personally I don't think it is a good idea to approve this type of use and think it is a shame to see a Church/Community hall be demolished for a day care.

If you were going to allow a development in this spot that is going to create extra traffic it should be something the whole community can enjoy/use not a daycare centre needed for approx 1-5 years by a small group of people.

I am also wondering why we need another daycare centre in the area - there are ample in Ashgrove. I think it would be a good idea for Council to canvas the other centres to actually see if there is demand before you approve of this application.

Fellow community members,

I'm a town planner living in Ashgrove for many years, with the following comments to help you respond to this proposal.

This application is being considered by a route called impact assessment. In this Council considers the merits of the proposal, and they use the City Plan's codes as guidance.

The steps are
- Council and any State departments who have a role review the proposal and all for more information
- the applicant then responds to address the questions raised
- the application is then put out for public comment for 15 business days. Submissions made in this period must be formally considered by Council and have appeal rights.
- Council then finishes it's assessment, which may include changes to the proposal

The comments made to date are all valid and show the concerns of local residents. Other matters you might wish to consider include hours of activity, lighting disturbance, loss of a community accessible hall.

I would recommend ensuring that comments are made again during the public comment period to ensure Council properly considers them.

(Council this is not a properly made submission)

I am against the proposed development of a childcare centre on this site for the following reasons:

- the development will increase the car and pedestrian traffic on Devoy St, holmesbrook and Waterworks Road, where traffic issues and congestion already occur too frequently in peak times. To avoid this congestion, commuters will choose to divert to Stewart Road, where traffic congestion is also a regular issue.

- holmesbrook street and surrounding streets are already used a rat runs through the area from McLean Parade and vice versa from Ashgrove Av. As traffic congestion increases, this pushes traffic further into surrounding streets to avoid the area.

- parking is already a real issue in the area and this development will continue to increase this issue as parents potentially drop their children to the centre and choose to ride public transport to the city, whereby needing to park their cars all day.

- There is a daycare only 1 block away recently constructed, and I understand another daycare has already been approved to be built at highpoint Plaza in Ashgrove.

- the intersection of holmesbrook and Ashgrove av is a dangerous intersection because of the nearby bends in waterworks road and the 60km speed limit. It is also a high traffic pedestrian zone used by the community, school children and the elderly. More traffic increases the risk of accidents to motorists and pedestrians.

- limited parking in the area already makes it challenging taking sick pets to the vet. How is this going to be managed to ensure customers can continue to access an extremely established and well loved business in the Ashgrove community?

I object to this proposed Daycare Centre as there are already sufficient Centres in the immediate area (one only on the next corner), not to mention the already approved Highpoint Plaza centre. The roads in the vicinity are not designed to cater for the volume of traffic that this Centre will produce nor is there sufficient parking for drop-off/pick-up as the streets surrounding the proposed Centre are already clogged by residents' vehicles.
There are a number of retired residents in this area and the noise from a childcare centre will have significant impact on their 'peaceful' environment. We are also losing a much-loved Dance Studio which has operated out of the hall for over 40 years and I, myself, remember attending the Church over 50 years ago, so serious consideration needs to be given to the demolition of these buildings. And let's not forget the most important consideration - it will only need one in-attentive motorist to cause an accident or death of a child attending the Daycare Centre (which, from the comments of those living in the immediate vicinity seems quite likely) for there to be questions asked, unfortunately, all too late!

I live on Devoy Street and I object to this proposal.

Devoy Street is already a very busy rat-run for speeding tradies and people accessing Stewart Rd to Ashgrove Ave and Waterworks Rd. Also, the 61 bus uses Ashgrove Ave to Holmesbrook St to Devoy St to realign itself to begin its route. There are also myriad delivery trucks, vans and semis making deliveries to Coles and the Ashgrove Village shops. Having that amount of traffic at that one little intersection, let alone increasing the traffic load on Devoy St, combined with an estimated 130+ children, families doing the drop-off/pick-up, is insanity with accidents just waiting to happen.

Parking is already an issue due to the number of public transport options available along Stewart Rd, Waterworks Rd and Ashgrove Ave. During pick-up and drop-off times, traffic can only back up into Devoy St, Holmesbrook St, and Ashgrove Ave, which will of course increase driver's impatience, exhaust fumes and overall traffic noise.

The neighbourhood will also loose a much-loved and utilised resource in the dance hall and church, and for what? Yet another childcare centre in an already crowded field of local childcare centres.

I object to this development for all same very valid reasons mentioned by others previously. There is no need to another child care centre in this area and the pressure on the already congested parking in surrounding streets will severely reduce the liveability of this area.

I live on Devoy Street just across from the proposed development site.
I also object to this development for all the reasons mentioned previously by others.
Devoy Street suffers for parking as it is, mostly Monday - Friday. I believe there are many people who park on this street who catch public transport into the City on a daily basis. I cannot imagine what traffic and parking in the area will be like if there were to be a Childcare Centre built at 30 Ashgrove Avenue. My visitors and I am unable to park in front of my residence as it is. Not only will it cause parking issues but congested traffic issues and pedestrian safety issues. It is currently a busy area, many times a dangerous area. People are impatient waiting for others to turn onto Holmsbrook or Ashgrove Avenue as they can be very congested, and speed off at a dangerous speed OR take a very risky chance to turn into traffic when it is not safe. Fancy parents and young children trying to cross through this mayhem.
Not to mention, it is quite nice listening to the music drift over from the dancing school on a regular basis. I would not appreciate additional traffic over the music. Why tear down a building that is used regularly and has been on the site for years only to replace it with yet another Childcare Centre?

Please don't allow this to happen.

This doesn't seem necessary as there are already a number of child care centres within the vicinity. Traffic is very congested around that area, particularly at the peak times when parents would be doing their pickups from the Centre. We don't need anything increasing the traffic congestion making it unsafe for motorists and pedestrians.

I am opposed to this proposal as the existing church and dance hall have historic and cultural value and add to the character of the local area. It would be sad to see these unique old community buildings replaced by a 3-storey modern construction for childcare when there are already several facilities for this in the immediate area.
I also see traffic congestion as a major issue in the surrounding streets, particularly during busy morning and afternoon school drop off times and peak hours. In terms of safety, the corner of Ashgrove Avenue and Devoy streets is at quite a sharp angle which makes it difficult to see well when turning right out of Devoy St. Increased vehicle and pedestrian traffic at and around that intersection can only increase the likelihood of accidents occurring.

yes i agree with you we have childcare centre on top of high point plaza and one in house on ashgrove avenue ashgrove isnt the same when i grew up hardly any good shops like we used to have and the church and dance hall has the historic feeling and all the old houses in ashgrove are going just to put up a high raises